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A call for proposals is made for some reason. Two ideas are presented by the Vice Presidents. One idea is selected.

After the board meeting, there is some disagreement with the decision.

How did one get to be a Vice President without some degree of flexibility? If one strategy fails, the other one could always be given a chance. What kind of corporation is it where a corporate takeover begins because one production plan was chosen over another? Was Quality Management sorely lacking?

Don't you just hate it when a company strike fails and the management ends up tossing everyone but the scabs out of their company homes and into some cosmic morass?

I'm not so sure about your framing of the pre-earth portion of the POS. The elegant part about our pre-earth existence is that you can make up anything you want about it. So there is this one obscure Bible verse that talks about a third of the hosts of heaven getting tossed out into a black hole or something like that. But who's to say that the Creator doesn't have a plan for our disenfranchised spirit brothers and sisters? Perhaps there is a cosmic recycling program that grinds these spirits back into intelligences for our Mothers in Heaven to then birth into spirits again? And maybe these shiny new spirits will pick the right plan on the next turn of the Wheel of Time? Chin up my dear penguin. We can make up a wonderful future for our unknowable past.

Romans 9 makes it clear that mythical meeting never happened, notice not all humanoids are children of God . and both esau and Jacob had nothing good or bad while in Rebecca womb.


Romans 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Romans 9 refutes Harold B Lee's continuing revelation

"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”
(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).

God chose rulers in the beginning. Those are the chosen. They are few. The world wrongly applies the gospel to the entire human family. But the gospel is unto those who bring forth the fruits thereof. Time of Christ a handful of Jews and Gentiles actually got the gospel right. More did in the Book of Mormon. But even of those rulers are more rare still. In the Restoration I trust you could not fill both hands with the numbers of those who actually got the gospel according to the standard written in all scripture. Just because the gospel is available to all does not force it to accept all. Only those who truly make the sacrifice for Christ's sake to indeed forsake the world at heart and come unto Christ as he commands get the gospel and all the rights and blessings and powers and intelligence and gifts and promises.

And I am unawares of a single true saint in all Mormonism today. None speak thusly. There is zero evidence of a single LDS leaders or book writer holding forth from personal accomplishment with Christ in God. ZERO.

Finn the human wrote: We can make up a wonderful future for our unknowable past.

This sounds like a very positive affirmation. I hope the defenders at that apologetic board can glom onto this and use it as a narrative of both hope and explanation. Best wishes, Finn the human.