Banned at MDDB for asking Juliann a Question About FAIR

[_consiglieri]

Not to knock Consiglieri, but it kind of amazes me that people are still amazed that a board that would ban people who aren't even actively posting there would ban people for frivolous reasons while they are posting there.

Reminds me of when a tabloid noted that, "On a recent night out in Berlin, Ashton Kutcher appeared to be celebrating his newly single status – and he didn’t care who saw him," to which one comedian joked, “A guy who didn’t care if anyone saw him cheating on his wife also doesn’t care if anyone sees him being single.”

But at least we can all thank Juliann, Nemesis et al for carrying on the work of Christ:

I love the meme, Ms. Jack! Thanks so much!!!

I listened to a podcast you were on not too long ago and thought, "That's Ms. Jack! I know her!"

And as I listened to you relate your story, I developed a whole new respect and admiration for you.

You. Are. Awesome.

[_RockSlider]

I love the meme, Ms. Jack! Thanks so much!!!

I listened to a podcast you were on not too long ago and thought, "That's Ms. Jack! I know her!"

And as I listened to you relate your story, I developed a whole new respect and admiration for you.

You. Are. Awesome.

Hello, do I need to report you to Shades? link please

[_consiglieri]

And now Juliann has added this extra bit of insight into the recent FAIR purge, speaking of Nemesis in the third-person:

It looks like Nemesis is stepping in to reduce the negativity that has overtaken the board. I've been on message boards for decades now and when there are too many posters whose only goal is to pick apart the Church the believing Mormons leave.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/679 ... n/?page=20

[_consiglieri]

Hello, do I need to report you to Shades? link please

I think this should do the trick.

http://www.mormonmatters.org/2016/07/11/335-hope/

[_MsJack]

A year or so back they actually came here and invited people to come back.

Did Juliann and the moderators get a character transplant while they were at it? No? Then why would anyone believe things had changed?

[_MsJack]

I love the meme, Ms. Jack! Thanks so much!!!

I listened to a podcast you were on not too long ago and thought, "That's Ms. Jack! I know her!"

And as I listened to you relate your story, I developed a whole new respect and admiration for you.

You. Are. Awesome.

Thank consiglieri. I am fond of you as well.

It must have been the Mormon Matters podcast.

I should have a guest post at the Maxwell Institute blog sometime in the next few weeks (they've had it since June, not sure when they will run it.)

[_moksha]

It looks like Nemesis is stepping in to reduce the negativity that has overtaken the board. I've been on message boards for decades now and when there are too many posters whose only goal is to pick apart the Church the believing Mormons leave.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/679 ... n/?page=20

The former Soviet Union regarded a good purge as necessary to ensure the uniformity of voices heard. For the Mormon D&D Board, the goal is to have participants cease writing and instead click the icon of a smiley face nodding in agreement.

[_Quasimodo]

The former Soviet Union regarded a good purge as necessary to ensure the uniformity of voices heard. For the Mormon D&D Board, the goal is to have participants cease writing and instead click the icon of a smiley face nodding in agreement.

(nodding in agreement)

[_DBMORMON]

OMG. Here are Calm's first TWELVE posts in the thread, all this in response to DB's original question/OP.

And yet you apparently posted a stolen video link for the presentation on your Facebook page. Of course you know you would get dinged, maybe even banned for posting pirated material here.

Talk about not letting the facts get in the way. How eager were you to be in on the passing around of it among the exmormons that you didn't care enough to check the facts about its source?

You were a member of Fairmormon and you don't know how we treat videos from conferences, that it is a part of how we pay for them? Did you even bother to check? Notice it wasn't the Fairmormon youtube channel?

Would you appreciate people treating your premium service with the same lack of respect?

You are aware enough now that the video is supposed to be only available behind FM's paywall to mention it here. Dehlin shares the video and you are not the least bit suspicious that it was a leak? Right.

Using stolen property doesn't have to mean one is trying to hurt someone, it does show disrespect and lack of caring though. And issues of integrity.

DB, You knew it was behind a paywall and did not post a link here. Yet you had the link still up on your Facebook page. I think that speaks volumes for what you actually knew.

How does that change anything? You knew that it was protected on FM. You did not share it here intentionally because it was to be paid for content. And now you are claiming you didn't know it was pirated?

DB, do you have any intention on purchasing the video or will you continue to make use of stolen property for your personal benefit?

Yes, you should remove anything that promotes the use of pirated material.

Will you pay for your own use now?

Possible for a guy who was a Fairmormon, participated in the conference itself and as someone who produced content and had a number of discussions about content production with others in management from what I could tell and who runs a premium copyrighted podcast himself? Yes, possible though what it that would say about his level of attention and awareness and caring about what goes on around him and whether we should trust his appraisal of it is not very complimentary.

So are you going to pay to use the material with integrity or will you continue to reference the pirated material as you have done in this post when you knew it was pirated but neglected to say where you had gotten it.

I will accept you admitting to being clueless about how other people, including FM even though you were a member, use premiums to support their projects even though you have chosen to do the same for your podcast.

Now are you going to pay for the use or continue to use the pirated information?

I suspect more members would if LDS leaders were using pirated materials. They have a right though to do what they want with their own property.

And Finally! On page 3 of the thread, she finally addresses the question, KIND OF.

If they are not accurate, then it is worthless to talk about the FM context though. Or to suggest Mason is promoting it.

(I don't know, by the way, I wait for transcripts so I can be better assured I am not adding in my own bias too much)

she has officially and publicly apologized on two fronts which I accepted. I have moved on.

[_Doctor Scratch]

So, the bit about the "pirated" audio feels like a red herring. They claim that they need the money to fund the conference, which raises the question: how much cash are they raking in from these videos?

In any event, their avoidance of Mason's commentary was the most striking thing about that thread.

I noticed, too, at the end, that there was a curious exchange between Juliann and Nevo:

I am very encouraged that it is apologetic organizations who are taking a public stand against polemics and the toxic environment it creates within Mormonism. Hopefully, others will follow.

Which apologetic organizations are doing this? The Maxwell Institute did this and was roundly criticized for it by many at FairMormon.

I don't know what you mean by "many" unless you are talking about the individuals involved in the firings, which was an unfortunate situation all the way around. That may never heal. But it has nothing to do with FM.

FM works with MI, they have a table at our conference and we make sure that we post each other's stuff on Facebook pages and such.. Blair at MI was the one who recommended Mason as a speaker this year, so you can thank MI for that.

I'm glad to hear that Mason's talk was well received at the conference and that FM and MI are working together.

Edited 15 minutes ago by Nevo

Not cool to publish spotty recollections of private exchanges, Nevo. :( Especially since you don't mention those who objected to such characterizations. I can only imagine what every organization's backlists contain in our contentious Mormon world. There are a lot of voices and a lot of opinions and every org has to work with good and wonderful people who are going to clash at times. Again, personal grievances, which no one is going to deny exist, do not determine the course of FM. Not even those who are irked expect that. And I'm sorry you didn't have a positive experience, that was a hurtful time for some people.

I didn't see anyone object to such characterizations. That's why I left. Anyway, I'll edit my post to remove references to private conversations.

???

An interesting exchange, in any event. Maybe Nevo can clarify here, were he won't be subjected to threats of censorship? Regardless, one of the more interesting things here is the revelation that Mason was basically "installed" at the conference thanks to Blair Hodges, whom the classic-FARMS Mopologists despise.

Juliann writes, "...you are talking about the individuals involved in the firings, which was an unfortunate situation all the way around. That may never heal. But it has nothing to do with FM." Nothing? I was under the impression that perhaps *the* most vocal person involved in the firings was on the board of FAIRMormon. Is that not the case? Bearing that in mind, this line is absolutely classic: "Blair at MI was the one who recommended Mason as a speaker this year, so you can thank MI for that."