Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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Dan Vogel said Sylvia's case is the best evidence for sexual polyandry. Seriously, is that it? Isn't Dan Vogel credible?


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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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Lemmie wrote:Perhaps you didn't notice the question you quoted--what does any of the above have to do with "you telling grindael specifically 'why false memory is a possibility in Sylvia's case' " ?

If you're dropping your false memory syndrome argument and moving on, great.


Let me try one more time. False memory is just a possibility, there are thousands of other possibilities too. The fact is that Sylvia is not a reliable witness because she was wrong about Josephine being the daughter of Joseph Smith, assuming she meant biological daughter.

Do you agree with Dan Vogel that Sylvia's case is the best evidence of sexual polyandry. I mean, if Sylvia's case is really the best evidence, then it is a good reason to suspect that Joseph Smith did not have sex with his polyandrous wives. However, I don't give a F**, I have no position.

grindael wrote:Really, where is that?


I didn't watch the video, I listened to it, I converted it to MP3.

grindael wrote:You just haven't been paying attention, it seems.


So Dan didn't say that? Perhaps it is false memory on my part?
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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DoubtingThomas wrote:

I didn't watch the video, I listened to it, I converted it to MP3.


What is the time stamp? It would be the same on the video. Please provide the reference where Dan said that.
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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I'll clarify:

Seriously, is that it?


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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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However, I don't give a F**, I have no position.


Yeah, sure thing.
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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grindael wrote:
You can resolve it by showing where he said it.


He said it multiple times.
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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oh s**t! Wrong link. Sorry!
Here is the right one
https://youtu.be/rjao6DiN2DY?t=47m18s
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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Let me try one more time. False memory is just a possibility, there are thousands of other possibilities too.
Agreed, thousands, each with virtually zero probability, and therefore effectively irrelevant when considering the totality of the evidence.
The fact is that Sylvia is not a reliable witness because she was wrong about Josephine being the daughter of Joseph Smith, assuming she meant biological daughter.
Not sure why you included that sentence in the paragraph, are you changing the subject again? Anyway, glad the door is closed on false memory syndrome.
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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Lemmie wrote:
Let me try one more time. False memory is just a possibility, there are thousands of other possibilities too.
Agreed, thousands, each with virtually zero probability, and therefore effectively irrelevant when considering the totality of the evidence.
The fact is that Sylvia is not a reliable witness because she was wrong about Josephine being the daughter of Joseph Smith, assuming she meant biological daughter.
Not sure why you included that sentence in the paragraph, are you changing the subject again? Anyway, glad the door is closed on false memory syndrome.


False Memory is a reasonable possibility, and there are other reasonable possibilities too. I don't feel I need to defend false memory or some other theory, the burden or proof falls on the one claiming that Joseph Smith had sex with his polyandrous wives.
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Re: Hales and Joseph Smith's Polyandry

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False Memory is a reasonable possibility, and there are other reasonable possibilities too. I don't feel I need to defend false memory or some other theory, the burden or proof falls on the one claiming that Joseph Smith had sex with his polyandrous wives.

wrong, the burden falls on grindael to positively support his theory. That doesn't require him to positively disprove every single tiny teeny remote possibility, no matter how remote the probability.

But now you're back to stating that you think false memory is a reasonable alternate theory, so, make your case, support your theory. The floor is yours.
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