DoubtingThomas wrote: I told grindael, "So can we rule out false memory? Joseph Smith married Sylvia two years before her daughter was born, so isn't it possible that Sylvia thought she had a private moment with Joseph? She obviously had private moments with Windsor Lyon, but is it possible she was "confusing or mixing fragments of memory events"?"
So is it a reasonable possibility?
Why is this so important to you? Dan answered your question. Do you think he didn't read that in the thread above? This is the kind of thing that makes me think you are just damned with us.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
IYO, how many of Joseph Smith's marriages were simply dynastic, in that they were meant to tie two families together socially and economically, but didn't involve sexual or typical marital relations between himself and the girl/woman?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
grindael wrote: Why is this so important to you? Dan answered your question. Do you think he didn't read that in the thread above? This is the kind of thing that makes me think you are just **** with us.
Give me a break! I am simply asking if it is a reasonable possibility, I am not trying to prove anything! I strongly doubt Joseph Smith was a prophet, so it is NOT important for me at all to defend him, not anymore.
grindael wrote: In relation to this argument. It is. Please explain why Sylvia Lyon would be prone to this or have false memories. Saying that she believed in the supernatural is just silly.
forget her supernatural beliefs, false memory happens to everyone. It is not a rare psychological phenomenon.
grindael wrote: In relation to this argument. It is. Please explain why Sylvia Lyon would be prone to this or have false memories. Saying that she believed in the supernatural is just silly.
forget her supernatural beliefs, false memory happens to everyone. It is not a rare psychological phenomenon.
So now I need to forget what you brought up?
How can we know what was in Sylvia's mind? She believed in the supernatural, spirits, miracles. How can we be sure Sylvia believed Josephine was the biological daughter of Joseph Smith? Just because Sylvia waited a lifetime to tell Josephine, doesn't rule out other possibilities. Or am I missing something?
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
grindael wrote:So now I need to forget what you brought up?
How can we know what was in Sylvia's mind? She believed in the supernatural, spirits, miracles. How can we be sure Sylvia believed Josephine was the biological daughter of Joseph Smith? Just because Sylvia waited a lifetime to tell Josephine, doesn't rule out other possibilities. Or am I missing something?
Yes because I am not talking about that anymore. In my last ten posts I am asking you about false memory, not about her supernatural or religious beliefs.
DoubtingThomas wrote: Yes because I am not talking about that anymore. In my last ten posts I am asking you about false memory, not about her supernatural or religious beliefs.
But you tied the two together. So which is it? Why did she have those false memories?
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
IYO, how many of Joseph Smith's marriages were simply dynastic, in that they were meant to tie two families together socially and economically, but didn't involve sexual or typical marital relations between himself and the girl/woman?
- Doc
I don't know if there were any. It's a theory, but it seems like nonsense to me.
I do not want you to think that I am very righteous, for I am not. Joseph Smith (History of the Church 5:401)
I told grindael, "So can we rule out false memory? Joseph Smith married Sylvia two years before her daughter was born, so isn't it possible that Sylvia thought she had a private moment with Joseph? She obviously had private moments with Windsor Lyon, but is it possible she was "confusing or mixing fragments of memory events"?"
So is it a reasonable possibility?
Why would we even think we need to rule it out? Can we rule out aliens? Perhaps it was William Smith and she only thought she was having sex with Windsor. Can we rule that out?
I do not want you to think that I am very righteous, for I am not. Joseph Smith (History of the Church 5:401)
