Zerinus and Introspection Illusion

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Re: Zerinus and Introspection Illusion

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zerinus wrote:
Analytics wrote:Is disbelieving in God is a belief system in the same way that disbelieving in magic elves is a belief system?
Disbeieving in magic elves is not a belief system, any more than believing in magic elves is a belief system (unless you worshiped imagic elves and believed it was God). Believing in God is a belief system, just as disbelieving in God is a belief system.


Sorry to break it to ya, bud. You don't get to unilaterally define what is and what isn't. And you certainly can't make a compelling case to do so. You really suck at apologetics.

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zerinus wrote:
spotlight wrote:I did not arrive at where I am presently by a process of introspection. I arrived here by accepting the results of scientific investigation . . .
There is no scientific investigation that disproves the existence of God. Your atheism is still a belief system.

I never called myself an atheist nor have I studied it at length. I have studied science and the facts are that there was never a flood of Noah which falsifies the Book of Mormon claim that there was, evolution happened which means Adam did not bring death into the world therefore Christ's mission as the antidote is nullified. Quantum Mechanics is valid in front of your face science and it proves that the elements are not eternal which falsifies the D&C. The book of Abraham has been shown to be a fraud. But some sort of god might exist. I don't care any more than whether Russel's teapot might be in orbit within our solar system.
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That makes no sense z. Why is belief in a magic elf not a belief system but belief in God is a belief system?

If the core component is worship, it makes even less sense that a non-elf believer doesn't have a belief system, but then if suddenly elf believers go from acknowledging elves to worshipping elves, the non elf believer suddenly has a belief system now.
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spotlight wrote:I never called myself an atheist nor have I studied it at length. I have studied science and the facts are that there was never a flood of Noah which falsifies the Book of Mormon claim that there was, evolution happened which means Adam did not bring death into the world therefore Christ's mission as the antidote is nullified. Quantum Mechanics is valid in front of your face science and it proves that the elements are not eternal which falsifies the D&C. The book of Abraham has been shown to be a fraud. But some sort of god might exist. I don't care any more than whether Russel's teapot might be in orbit within our solar system.


Russell's teapot is in my garage. My invisible pink dragon snagged it out of orbit and put it in his nest.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. . . .
That still makes atheism a belief system. Atheists are known for their honesty. Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in God. That comes closer to agnosticism rather than atheism. Atheism is the active denial of the existence of God.
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zerinus wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. . . .
That still makes atheism a belief system. Atheists are known for their honesty. Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in God. That comes closer to agnosticism rather than atheism. Atheism is the active denial of the existence of God.


You can't redefine everything and declare victory, dude. Please seek education. :wink:
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Atheism probably can be accurately described as a 'disbelief system'. I'd be comfortable with that.

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Belief system and disbelief system amounts to the same thing, no difference. Every belief system can also be identified as a disbelief system. It is a disbelief in the opposite system.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Sorry to break it to ya, bud. You don't get to unilaterally define what is and what isn't. And you certainly can't make a compelling case to do so. You really suck at apologetics.

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Copout.
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spotlight wrote:I never called myself an atheist nor have I studied it at length. I have studied science and the facts are that there was never a flood of Noah which falsifies the Book of Mormon claim that there was, evolution happened which means Adam did not bring death into the world therefore Christ's mission as the antidote is nullified. Quantum Mechanics is valid in front of your face science and it proves that the elements are not eternal which falsifies the D&C. The book of Abraham has been shown to be a fraud. But some sort of god might exist. I don't care any more than whether Russel's teapot might be in orbit within our solar system.
I don't care what you call yourself. Atheism is a belief system, just as theism is a belief system. And science can never disprove God.
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Gadianton wrote:That makes no sense z. . . .
I think that it does.
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