Can anyone explain "grace" Mormon style?

[_kairos]

There are a few talks from Bednar and books from lds authors like brad wilcox: "changed through grace" that discuss grace from an lds perspective, using the defintion of grace from the Bible dictionary "the enabling power of the HG". To me, evangelical, grace is the unmerited favor of God toward humankind ,eg creation is an example of God's grace. humankind was given the gift /favor of this world - we did nothing to earn it or make it happen-pure gift imho. Same for Christ's work on earth. God's gift of his son and the son's actions are gifts to humankind. Wilcox and Bednar come up with a power the HG gives to get us out of bad situations or change us in some way.

I am confused-perhaps nightlion can weigh in with all you other heavies- what is God's grace mean to you?

k

[_mentalgymnast]

There are a few talks from Bednar and books from lds authors like brad wilcox: "changed through grace" that discuss grace from an lds perspective, using the defintion of grace from the Bible dictionary "the enabling power of the HG". To me, evangelical, grace is the unmerited favor of God toward humankind ,eg creation is an example of God's grace. humankind was given the gift /favor of this world - we did nothing to earn it or make it happen-pure gift imho. Same for Christ's work on earth. God's gift of his son and the son's actions are gifts to humankind. Wilcox and Bednar come up with a power the HG gives to get us out of bad situations or change us in some way.

I am confused-perhaps nightlion can weigh in with all you other heavies- what is God's grace mean to you?

k

God's/Christ's ongoing and never failing love for us manifest through their condescension towards us.

Mosiah 4:11
Always retain in remembrance, the greatness of God, and your own nothingness, and his goodness and long-suffering towards you, unworthy creatures...

This talk goes into some detail:

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2001/12/the- ... d?lang=eng

I think that the condescension of God/Christ are integrally connected to 'grace'.

Regards,
MG

[_grindael]

There is no "grace" in Mormonism, since the atonement of Christ only merits Mormons a "resurrection". And this act of the "Savior" is built into the Mormon Cycle of the Gods. (Every world gets one so it is nothing special). Adam would be a God/Father to a world, would "sin" to "fall" and his "spirit son" would be "sacrificed" to balance the scales.

Grace has nothing to do with any of it. The Mormon Jesus only atones for the sin of his Spirit Father/Adam. Everyone else is accountable for their own sins.

[_zerinus]

There are a few talks from Bednar and books from lds authors like brad wilcox: "changed through grace" that discuss grace from an lds perspective, using the defintion of grace from the Bible dictionary "the enabling power of the HG". To me, evangelical, grace is the unmerited favor of God toward humankind ,eg creation is an example of God's grace. humankind was given the gift /favor of this world - we did nothing to earn it or make it happen-pure gift imho. Same for Christ's work on earth. God's gift of his son and the son's actions are gifts to humankind. Wilcox and Bednar come up with a power the HG gives to get us out of bad situations or change us in some way.

I am confused-perhaps nightlion can weigh in with all you other heavies- what is God's grace mean to you?

k

I have already answered that question in my latest Blog post which you can see here:

http://zerinus.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/g ... opics.html

I have just updated it to more fully answer your specific question.

[_kairos]

There are a few talks from Bednar and books from lds authors like brad wilcox: "changed through grace" that discuss grace from an lds perspective, using the defintion of grace from the Bible dictionary "the enabling power of the HG". To me, evangelical, grace is the unmerited favor of God toward humankind ,eg creation is an example of God's grace. humankind was given the gift /favor of this world - we did nothing to earn it or make it happen-pure gift imho. Same for Christ's work on earth. God's gift of his son and the son's actions are gifts to humankind. Wilcox and Bednar come up with a power the HG gives to get us out of bad situations or change us in some way.

I am confused-perhaps nightlion can weigh in with all you other heavies- what is God's grace mean to you?

k

I have already answered that question in my latest Blog post which you can see here:

http://zerinus.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/g ... opics.html

I have just updated it to more fully answer your specific question.

thanx so much for your link-very informative for me!

[_honorentheos]

I personally see Alma 42 as the single most descriptive chapter in unique LDS scripture on the subject. In short, is says that by the law we would all be condemned, and we can't do anything about that being in a fallen state which we cause through sin. But by the mechanisms of the atonement, we will be "restored" to a perfect form of our true desires. So if we desired righteousness, even though we fail, if we are truly desiring it and working towards it, the atonement makes it possible to be resurrected into righteousness. OTOH, if our desires are for things other than those things believed to be the will of God, we'll be restored to the perfect form of that as well, along with whatever that means for our eternal state.

Grace, in that context, is being granted to us as a means to get back up when we fall. But it doesn't reward the failure to attempt to rise. Or perhaps better said, it rewards it but be careful what you wish for.

That's how I read the scriptures and concept as a TBM. It seemed a logical way to bridge the gulf between works and faith that led to one being drawn to the Father through Christ, and being reborn a child of Christ. There are phrases not really developed in LDS scripture about becoming part of the Church of the First Born, having Christ as your Father in a literal sense. That being, through rebirth via the atonement and divine restoration having being striving to be like Christ, He provided the means for this rebirth to be realized. Something like that, anyway. It's been a long time since I really thought about any of that in a believing way and I have no idea if I even have any of the notebooks I kept back then on scriptures and talks on the matter. Good times wasted, those. There's a bunch of stuff about the Patriarchal priesthood, it can get into A Beautiful Mind territory really fast.

[_kairos]

zerinus do you have the millet paper on grace that he proposed to john macarthur and the evangelicals? i just emailed him and asked for a copy- i hope he comes through!

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zerinus do you have the millet paper on grace that he proposed to john macarthur and the evangelicals? i just emailed him and asked for a copy- i hope he comes through!

I haven’t seen it, no; and I am not in correspondence with Dr Millet to ask him. So if you get a copy, I hope you will send me one as well, or post it up as an attachment to the thread if that is possible, so I get a better picture of who is saying what.

As a side note, in Mormon theology the Atonement of Jesus Christ had two major implications​. Firstly, it redeems all mankind unconditionally ​from the effects ​of the Fall. That is universal and applies to all mankind, the wicked and the righteous. It means that all men will be resurrected, and all will be brought back to the presence of God to be judged. No one will be condemned or punished because of the Fall of Adam. That is taken care of unconditionally for all mankind by the Atonement.

Secondly, it also redeems all of mankind from their own personal or individual sins on conditions of faith and repentance in this life. These then will be given a free pass on judgement day; whereas ​those who haven’t repented will then experience a second death, which is a spiritual death, from which they can no longer be redeemed, because the opportunity of “faith and repentance” no longer exists for them. The window of that opportunity is only open during the period between birth and resurrection. After that there is no more opportunity for faith, repentance, or redemption. I may update that blog post to add more about this to it later on.

[_Quasimodo]

LDS definition of Grace:

Grace is the lovely lady who bakes cookies for the Relief Society meetings and wisely knows her place.

[_sock puppet]

LDS definition of Grace:

Grace is the lovely lady who bakes cookies for the Relief Society meetings and wisely knows her place.

Say good night, Gracie.