Can anyone explain "grace" Mormon style?

[_Nightlion]

Kairos why entreat me and engage me not?

NL
you have had a unique, you believe, spiritual experience so I can sorta understand why you say you are the only one who is right about grace, salvation, eternal life. in my experience religions and people who believe they alone are "right" ,that they have the full and true gospel have a control or power and ego problem. I believe you would probably claim to be the most humble child of god , all in for Christ, yet claiming no one else has what you have in terms of a special relationship with god, means you probably need to reconsider your position.

for me , I am a sinner saved by grace, and try to live every moment for Christ.

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You fail to engage what I said. I have lived a lifetime of being characterized a kook. I thought a neighbor who bought the house we built on almost half my dad's lot on the Millcreek in Salt Lake City was a friend. He helped me and even encouraged me when I developed toy and game ideas. He called one a super item.

So why did he deliberately sabotage my business? Then called me a kook? He justified defending his own family's interest in the toy business tossing me into the crapper because EVERYONE thought I was a kook. And that is all you are doing.

You cheat yourself of a right understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And you deliberately cross yourself against the plain commandments of Christ making light of what he commanded to make it of non effect and for vain justification that happens to agree with the majority of gospel lite schemers.

You spurn the new heart from God and trample upon his promise of a new creature. You vaunt to continue a sinner as if a badge of honor. What separates you from a devil? You talk out both sides of your mouth saying that you are born again, and have a new creation, and experienced the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, yet you continue in sin. BULL CRAP. How do you not see it?

[_SPG]

Then called me a kook?

That doesn't seem very nice, but I've been called worst. However, I haven't invented/developed cool toys.

In my testimony about Grace, I said that "claiming to know" is basically what cuts us off from Grace.

God is infinite and eternal, neither can change. Even if things inside eternity and infinity are in constant flux, infinity and eternity themselves cannot change.

I see it like this, we are a bit of consciousness. As such, we have within us all the complexities to develop awareness of infinity and eternity, even if we cannot understand them now. Whatever we think, given the experiences we have had, senses that we have, and colored by our core desires, is true and correct. For you, or for me.

If you are a scientist, you know about theory and application. The idea of a light bulb is pretty simple. A 2nd grader could explain the concept, but making it work was a whole other beast.

If I embraced your ideas, just because maybe I thought you were a prophet, in 2 years, I would so frustrated, I would probably kill myself. Every soul have to figure it out for themselves. They can take the high level ideals and figure out how to make their work with the materials they have.

Grace is just such a "high level ideal." We each have to make it work. We can get plans, but we cannot order the module, so to speak.

There are people that I might think total loser, yet, I can see they have found some form of grace. If it works, then it is as true as it works.

[_Nightlion]

If I embraced your ideas, just because maybe I thought you were a prophet, in 2 years, I would so frustrated, I would probably kill myself. Every soul have to figure it out for themselves. They can take the high level ideals and figure out how to make their work with the materials they have.

If you honestly embraced my ideas within a couple of months you would become a true prophet in your own right. Imagine the possibilities. I will have to try and remember you saying this however. A classic self effacement jab.

[_grindael]

If you honestly embraced my ideas within a couple of months you would become a true prophet in your own right.

Now that is just kooky....

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Grace is the story that Jesus built a road back to God. It is quite simple, walk on this road and you are back with God.


Mormon grace is the toll booths that they built along the side of this road and they are out in the line of people walking and telling them that they need to pay and pass through the Mormon toll booth, and then keep on walking on the road built by Jesus.


Disclaimer, I am an atheist.

[_Nightlion]

Grace is the story that Jesus built a road back to God. It is quite simple, walk on this road and you are back with God.


Mormon grace is the toll booths that they built along the side of this road and they are out in the line of people walking and telling them that they need to pay and pass through the Mormon toll booth, and then keep on walking on the road built by Jesus.


Disclaimer, I am an atheist.

Every hateful exmo's got a prophet inside.

[_Nightlion]

If you honestly embraced my ideas within a couple of months you would become a true prophet in your own right.

Now that is just kooky....

Aw, baby wanna be a prophet?

[_grindael]

Aw, baby wanna be a prophet?

I don't need to be to predict that you're a complete failure as one.

[_Choyo Chagas]

Aw, baby wanna be a prophet?

I don't need to be to predict that you're a complete failure as one.

predict? prophecy!

[_zerinus]

I have already answered that question in my latest Blog post which you can see here:

http://zerinus.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/g ... opics.html

I have just updated it to more fully answer your specific question.

thanx so much for your link-very informative for me!

I have just add a new post to my blog about the rise of Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) which might interest you. You can see it here:

http://zerinus.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/s ... er_42.html