The Salt Lake Tribune wrote:Some Latter-day Saints may leave the fold after finding out aspects of their history that don't match the Sunday school version — like the fact founder Joseph Smith used a stone in a hat to help him produce the Book of Mormon — but such a discovery is not what drives away most former believers.
It's the realization that they didn't hear it first from their church.
They feel deceived by Mormon authorities, whom they blame for keeping such details from them, and wonder what else these men might be hiding.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
GameOver wrote:It's hard to openly tell the truth when it's so damning to the foundational claims of the Church. This will always be a problem for Mormonism.
Not really. They have Nuanced Mormonism to address the millennials, but just like the Clarke/Trevor deal the baby boomer generation (and Grand Generation) are all about black and white capital T truth and are not able to accept the truth and apply nuance and many would be lost.
in my opinion, to survive they must start apologizing, fully open the kimono, cut the losses (baby boomers/grand generation) and see what's left. That is the right thing to do for the members, but of course would be a horrible business decision.
It's not that you accidentally open the closet door and find the skeletons - plural. Why, they should have told us! This version is weak if you consider all the marvelous benefits of membership.
It's when you see they personally dragged the skeletons to the closet, threw them in, locked the door, looked around suspiciously, hired a rich marketing firm to put a "entrance to celestial kingdom" sign on the door, hired another marketing firm to figure out what to tell you to keep your mind incurious and guilt ridden for curiosity, hired another consultant to figure out how to extract as much money from you as possible while you're not looking, and then built a mall with your money and said "let's go shopping" in hopes you will give them even more money through their overpriced mall.
If it was just a matter of forgetting to tell a few things.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
And it's not even that. Because care has been taken to make the facade exactly the opposite of the structure it hides. Selflessness and austerity are among the highest virtues, but the church is rich and greedy. Sexual purity ranks next the blind obedience, but Joseph Smith was - Honesty is another one.
So if the church didn't on top of everything else pull the whole "opposite day" thing it would have less to worry about.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Quasimodo wrote:It's the realization that they didn't hear it first from their church.
Sometimes I wonder how I would have taken the ugly side of Mormonism as a child. Would I really have accepted that crap as true? I mean, the whole idea of Moroni coming to take the plates away and 2 Cumorahs was bad enough. I can't even imagine how I would have taken the concept of stuffing your face into a hat to commune with Jehovah. I told my own kids that a while back and they were like, "Whaaaaa?"
I have to admit that the thing that really made me leave was realizing internally that it's okay and not bad to leave a religion that made me unhappy.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
TIL that "commune" used this way is obsolete. I think I'm just so used to that hymn... lol
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)