Question to Dehlin fans about "Rape in Mormon Culture"

[_moksha]

What if any actions came as a result of a mischevious sword-wielding angel slipping scroll fragments of the Kama Sutra into your hat along with a translating stone?

Would you be responsible for any subsequent channeling or could it be attributed to a fugue state?

[_Chap]

... I already have a girlfriend.

It would be interesting to hear what the lady in question thinks about DT's posts on this thread, presuming that she knows about them.

[_DoubtingThomas]

If I ever decide to have sex with a drunk woman I will make sure to
1. Get her consent first
2. have evidence that she gave me her consent, perhaps I would record her with my cellphone when she is telling me "yes", to protect myself just in case.
3. I wouldn't give her alcohol. She will get it herself.

God almighty.

Just stop, OK? It would take too long to explain why.

Is there anything wrong to have sex with a woman (drunk or not) with her consent? Tell me and I will stop. Please tell me what I am not understanding. If a drunk woman is responsible for other decisions, why can't she be responsible for consenting to sex?

It would be interesting to hear what the lady in question thinks about DT's posts on this thread, presuming that she knows about them.

She would kill me. She is LDS.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Bytheway, a reason that contributes to the suffering of rape survivors is religion, it makes it much worst for the victims.

Virginity has no bearing on a person's worth

Smart, who was kidnapped and held for months while her captor repeatedly raped her, recently discussed how her religious background made her feel worthless after the first rape – how she understands why others wouldn't even try to escape, if, like her, they were taught that a sexually "impure" woman had nothing to offer.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... al-assault

[_Lemmie]

If I ever decide to have sex with a drunk woman I will make sure to
1. Get her consent first
2. have evidence that she gave me her consent, perhaps I would record her with my cellphone when she is telling me "yes", to protect myself just in case.
3. I wouldn't give her alcohol. She will get it herself.

God almighty.

Just stop, OK? It would take too long to explain why.

Is there anything wrong to have sex with a woman (drunk or not) with her consent? Tell me and I will stop. Please tell me what I am not understanding. If a drunk woman is responsible for other decisions, why can't she be responsible for consenting to sex?

Please listen to Chap. You may be a teenager but even teenagers can develop common sense. And do share your creepy how-to-plan-a-rape scenario with your girlfriend. She will be quite willing to explain what's wrong with it to you. On the way out the door, most likely.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Please listen to Chap. You may be a teenager but even teenagers can develop common sense. And do share your creepy how-to-plan-a-rape scenario with your girlfriend.

I am not a teenager and there is no how-to-plan-a-rape scenario because there is consent.
I agree it is wrong to have sex with a woman that passed-out, that is rape, and must be punished in some form.

I am a person that is done with assumptions because of the culture. Cultures create to many unnecessary morals, such as "no sex before marriage" or even affairs.

According to psychologist Dr. Darrel Ray there is nothing wrong with love affairs ("adultery") when they are necessary. There is also nothing wrong with swingers and open marriages.

but the culture thinks that swinger clubs are somehow evil. If I tell my girlfriend what I think about swinger clubs she would kill me.

[Guest]

the vast majority of women that were drunk and had sex the night before don't feel raped. It is probably just a fundamentalist Christian and Mormon problem because of the purity before marriage teaching. I know because I am not from Utah, sex happens all the time after fun parties. If someone can explain to me what is wrong with consensual sex I would appreciate it.

[_Sanctorian]

DT, in all these "what ifs", you're missing the key component, what does the other person think?

If your girlfriend is open to swinging, sex before marriage, getting drunk for sex, etc, you have nothing to worry about. If she is not open to those ideas and you act upon your desires WITHOUT HER CONSENT, you have to live with the consequences. Your opinion on these matters simply doesn't translate to her opinion on these matters. Simple as that.

Maybe you should join a group of like minded individuals and try to find a girl that thinks like you do. You'll be better off than trying to force your opinion on your girlfriend that clearly doesn't have the same opinions as you do.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Maybe you should join a group of like minded individuals and try to find a girl that thinks like you do. You'll be better off than trying to force your opinion on your girlfriend that clearly doesn't have the same opinions as you do.

I never said anything about forcing my opinion. I said, "f I tell my girlfriend what I think about swinger clubs she would kill me."

I will never tell her that, or force her.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Anyways, I have to go.

Just very quick. Nobody gives a rat's about me because no one knows I don't believe anymore. I am suffering because there is probably no god and no celestial kingdom. After so many sacrifices I made for the LDS church my entire goddamn life, I think I may have some kind of emotional trauma.

But who cares. I am a guy, I have to have to balls to get over it somehow.