I've heard explained for polygamy (well, at least the polygyny variety of polygamy) and male-only priesthood that there are more faithful, believing women than men. Biologically, the male does not need to wait the end of gestation before mating again, with a different female, to create more offspring. Thus, there is at least some reason for polygyny to "raise up seed unto" the Lord. Book of Mormon Jacob 2:30.
But the primary historical sources from Nauvoo suggest that the polygamy there in the 1840s also included polyandry. JSjr "married" women who were already married to other men. Of JSjr's 34 "wives", 11 were already married to other men. How was this necessary to "raise up seed" unto the Lord?
What makes this different than your garden-variety swingers club, other than a pretend, illegal wedding ceremony (basically, an initiation ritual before the first romp between two participants)?
Nauvoo Polyandry
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_grindael
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To answer. Nothing. And I show why in an upcoming blog article I've been working on all day, called "Defending Joseph Smith's Handshake Marriages".
When the going got tough, Joseph simply shook hands with two "wives" and bid them adieu. Released them from their covenants after telling Walmart. Clayton this could not be done. All because Emma threatened to divorce him and leave him. I've got lots more examples in the article.
These were not in any sense of the word real marriages. It was called "nest hiding" back then. (illicit intercourse) That is what the judge in the Temple Lot trial called what Smith was doing. https://books.google.com/books?id=prATA ... &q&f=false
When the going got tough, Joseph simply shook hands with two "wives" and bid them adieu. Released them from their covenants after telling Walmart. Clayton this could not be done. All because Emma threatened to divorce him and leave him. I've got lots more examples in the article.
These were not in any sense of the word real marriages. It was called "nest hiding" back then. (illicit intercourse) That is what the judge in the Temple Lot trial called what Smith was doing. https://books.google.com/books?id=prATA ... &q&f=false
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sock puppet wrote:What makes this different than your garden-variety swingers club, ...?
Wives do not bring a third party participant to a garden-variety swingers club and sword-wielding angels are shown the door.
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moksha wrote:Wives do not bring a third party participant to a garden-variety swingers club and sword-wielding angels are shown the door.sock puppet wrote:What makes this different than your garden-variety swingers club, ...?
sword-wielding angels at entry
and cerberus at exit; he bite off..- you know what
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grindael wrote:To answer. Nothing. And I show why in an upcoming blog article I've been working on all day, called "Defending Joseph Smith's Handshake Marriages".
When the going got tough, Joseph simply shook hands with two "wives" and bid them adieu. Released them from their covenants after telling Walmart. Clayton this could not be done. All because Emma threatened to divorce him and leave him. I've got lots more examples in the article.
These were not in any sense of the word real marriages. It was called "nest hiding" back then. (illicit intercourse) That is what the judge in the Temple Lot trial called what Smith was doing. https://books.google.com/books?id=prATA ... &q&f=false
And people wonder why apostates like myself stick around these forums. "Nest hiding"? I've never heard of that one.
Huh. Looks like the originator of the term was also guilty of a bit of "nest hiding":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_War ... .281875.29
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He did it for the ladies. They all wanted him and polygamy/polyandry was Joe's way of giving back.
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