DrW wrote:Faithful Mormons promoting a March for Science is like arms dealers promoting a March for Peace.
Naw, I think faithful Mormons promoting a March for Science is like being human.
No one is claiming that faithful Mormons or arms dealers are not human, or not prone to act like humans.
What is being claimed is that their overt expressions of support for science and peace, respectively, ring hollow given what they claim to believe and what they practice.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
DrW wrote:What is being claimed is that their overt expressions of support for science and peace, respectively, ring hollow given what they claim to believe and what they practice.
I don't see it in those black and white terms. It's not a matter of being prone to act like humans -- it's that they are acting like humans. I know Mormons who marched for science. My own assessment is that they, like me, are doing their best to try and figure out life, the universe, and everything. And they're doing so with brains that weren't designed to make sense out of the circumstances they find themselves in.
Those expressions of support for science by faithful Mormons don't ring hollow to me. They ring true, and give me a some glimmer of hope.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
huckelberry wrote:I have faith that the advice to doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith is bad advice. It smells bad enough that it should not be let into the house.
I think that using faith to determine questions about reality such as should I turn left or right is like using a pickup truck to mend your eye glasses.
I think faith is being true to your values like being true to your spouse.
I think because God is by definition your highest good it is important to have faith but that faith would demand you respect the doubts and uncertainties about god, especially claims about what god is supposed to be.
Is it any big surprise that this guy said what he said?
Apparently you are an acolyte, Sanctorian?
I would think articles like this are a dime a dozen. Agnostics/atheists have heck of a time accepting the fact that one of their own could be so silly as to believe in "magic" as they call it. They automatically go into attack mode in many cases.
Regards, MG
*edit to fix a quote that kept getting attached to the original quote no matter what I did to try and fix it in my original post.
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MG, fix your quote. I didn't add the Facebook post to the OP. All this talk about others creating a false narrative and you try to add to the OP something that was not originally there.
Sanctorian wrote:MG, fix your quote. I didn't add the Facebook post to the OP. All this talk about others creating a false narrative and you try to add to the OP something that was not originally there.
You may not believe this, but I tried over and over again to split up the two quotes into separate quote boxes. I wanted to leave both quotes intact and since they were both from the same guy I let it ride.
I fixed it. I would like to know why I couldn't separate the two quotes though. I don't think I've run into that problem before.
Anyway, this guy seems to have it in for religion...at least from what's going on over at his Facebook page.
"God did it" could explain anything, and hence explains nothing.
Faith is a horribly unreliable tool for determining empirical realities. Of course, some faith-based claims are correct. Even the Magic 8-Ball is right some of the time. The fundamental problem isn't that particular answers based on magic are wrong; it's relying on magical powers to begin with.
As a rationale, "My faith says," deserves the same respect as, "My Magic 8-Ball says": None.
This.
And that!
It makes sense to demand that you should be allowed to believe and practice whatever religion you want, so long as that belief and practice does no harm to others.
It makes no sense at all to demand that others have to 'respect' your beliefs, however crazy and childish they may be. You get to say your beliefs are true, and to give the best reasons you can for your belief. That's fine. But then it's my turn. And if your ideas are nonsensical and based on evidence that simply doesn't stand up, I get to say so.
What's wrong with that?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Exiled wrote:But I love my magic 8 ball! It's right 50% of the time and the other 50% of the time it is trying to teach me a lesson, so I can be grateful.
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Actually it's probably right far less than 50% of the time, because there are a lot more than two possible responses - but who's counting.
