Yet more sex abuse claims filed against the Church.

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Boise • Five men who say they were sexually abused as kids while in the Boy Scouts of America are suing the organization and the Mormon church because they say both groups fraudulently presented the Boy Scouts as a safe, wholesome activity for boys.

The men filed the lawsuit Monday in Boise's U.S. District Court. They contend that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints knew that there were child molesters in the Boy Scouts, but they covered up the danger instead of letting parents and children know about the risk.

LDS Church spokesman Eric Hawkins said in a prepared statement, "We have only recently learned about this legal action, and will take time to understand it fully and to respond as appropriate."

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5239708-155/ ... se-lawsuit

The attorneys bringing the lawsuit — Gilion Dumas and Ashley Vaughn of Portland, Ore., and Andrew Chasan and Timothy Walton of Boise — have represented several other men who brought an earlier lawsuit against the Boy Scouts and the Utah-based LDS Church over sexual abuse. As in the earlier lawsuit, the attorneys contend that the BSA kept files on Scoutmasters accused of sexual misconduct, but it didn't reveal that information to parents, volunteers or others. The lawyers also contend that church officials also knew that there was a problem with child molesters in Idaho troops, but intentionally kept that secret from families and law enforcement agencies.


I predict that Church funds will be used to compensate the victims in an out of court settlement.

The Boy Scouts "engaged in a decades-long public relations campaign to represent to the government, the public, and the Scouting community, including plaintiffs and their families, that Scouting was a safe and morally upright program that was physically, emotionally, and spiritually beneficial for boys," the attorneys wrote in the lawsuit. "Defendants additionally represented that the adult Scout leaders, who were their agents, were appropriate and trustworthy mentors and leaders for young boys."

The LDS Church did the same, the plaintiffs contend.

"For example, in 1978, the president of the LDS Church said that, 'This [BSA] is not an optional program. ... Scouting is no longer on trial. It is an economically, socially, and spiritually sound program,' " they wrote in the lawsuit.
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The Mormon church...conspired to cover up child molesters who abused boys in Idaho over several decades, a new lawsuit alleges.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3129033
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Maybe it would be news when a week goes by that the LDS church does not have new sex abuse charges filed against it. It seems that the LDS church and sex abuse are increasingly becoming synonymous. But then, it is the Church of Joseph Smith Jr.
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This is all just de ja vu all over again.
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The article mentioned near the end the BSA apologized, but there was no mention of the LDS church apologizing.
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sock puppet wrote:Maybe it would be news when a week goes by that the LDS church does not have new sex abuse charges filed against it. It seems that the LDS church and sex abuse are increasingly becoming synonymous. But then, it is the Church of Joseph Smith Jr.


I think these charge are based on abuse that occurred decades ago. There is an inventory of victims from that time that apparently hasn't been exhausted yet. There clearly was a period of years where the BSA didn't take sufficient steps to protect scouts from child abusers. LDS sponsored troops weren't unique in that regard. I don't think that these cases tell us that much about any current relationship between the LDS church and sexual abuse.
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deacon blues wrote:The article mentioned near the end the BSA apologized, but there was no mention of the LDS church apologizing.

SLT wrote:"I know that the history of the church is not to seek apologies or to give them," Oaks said in an interview Tuesday. "We sometimes look back on issues and say, 'Maybe that was counterproductive for what we wish to achieve,' but we look forward and not backward."

The church doesn't "seek apologies," he said, "and we don't give them."

The Mormon leader made the same point, only stronger, Thursday during a video chat on Trib Talk by insisting that the word "apology" doesn't appear in LDS scriptures.

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To apologize is to admit fault. To admit fault is to make the institution more vulnerable in a court of law.
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Rosebud wrote:To apologize is to admit fault. To admit fault is to make the institution more vulnerable in a court of law.


I think it's more than that. The quote from Oakes reflects an attitude that the Church should never apologize for anything: not for Mountain Meadows, not for mistreating black folks, etc. I think it goes way beyond an attempt to avoid legal liability.
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