The PlanS of Salvation

[_Kishkumen]

You and so many others have never bothered to read my 35+ year old New Mormon Theology: Wonders of Eternity
I even gave it an update a few years ago. All I can say is that it explains EVERYTHING beyond your wildest dreams.

Is it because I spurn academia? That's it right?

It's linked in my sig. by the way

I'll check it out Nightlion! It may take me a little while to get to it, but I will!

[_sock puppet]

My questions are more like this: which options are more appealing, make more sense, and create better practical outcomes?

If one is going to dream, why should it be a nightmare?

[_Nightlion]

You and so many others have never bothered to read my 35+ year old New Mormon Theology: Wonders of Eternity
I even gave it an update a few years ago. All I can say is that it explains EVERYTHING beyond your wildest dreams.

Is it because I spurn academia? That's it right?

It's linked in my sig. by the way

I'll check it out Nightlion! It may take me a little while to get to it, but I will!

I appreciate that. That paper leveled the green eye of GBH's envy upon me. He persecuted me to renounce it before his sycophants would allow me a temple recommend to get married. He was in my home stake. Elder Neal Maxwell was in my ward. The stake was chuck full of church education and church offices workers. We used to catch pigeons out of Lowell Bennion's barn. Imagine why my paper got no respect. Because I had been vigorously talking down to these hypocrites for ten years.

[_RockSlider]

I'll check it out Nightlion! It may take me a little while to get to it, but I will!

I spent an hour and perused it. The main thing that came to my mind was a comparison to a man who spent many many hours in the archives before they were locked down and who did his dissertation based on Joseph Smith, and who is in my opinion one of the greatest Mormon theologians. Hyrum Andrus.

In Hyrum's many writings you will notice one thing, copious footnotes, the majority of which are to Mormon Scriptures and The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. I would suggest that 1/3 of most pages he produced were footnotes to references that influenced/supported his interpretations of scripture and Joseph Smith's teachings.

What we have with NL's "New Mormon Theology" writings is the total opposite of this. Very few scriptural references, NONE of them from Joseph Smith.

NL would be well to study Hyrum Andrus works and learn about what Joseph Smith and those who personally knew Joseph Smith taught. Perhaps his graven images of stone have left him with unenlightened interpretations of 'Old School Mormon Theology'

But of course HA has never claimed to be a prophet. another pro for him

Kish, I don't get why you seem to support NL and his cause.

[_sock puppet]

a man who spent many many hours in the archives before they were locked down and who did his dissertation based on Joseph Smith, and who is in my opinion one of the greatest Mormon theologians. Hyrum Andrus.

In Hyrum's many writings you will notice one thing, copious footnotes, the majority of which are to Mormon Scriptures and The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. I would suggest that 1/3 of most pages he produced were footnotes to references that influenced/supported his interpretations of scripture and Joseph Smith's teachings.

The Hierarchy does not like those who make the current LDS Church look adrift from its founder's "vision".

But of course HA has never claimed to be a prophet. another pro for him

One who studies a self-proclaimed 'prophet' (JSjr) but does himself pretend to be a prophet gets a kudo?

Kish, I don't get why you seem to support NL and his cause.

NL's gospel is, it seems to me, that the Book of Mormon is a real history, of peoples believing then not in god, or vice versa. NL seems to hew quite closely to Book of Mormon Mormonism, and not so much D&C/PoGP Mormonism--and finds little redeeming (pun intended) value in the PS&R aspirants. NL latches on to the more mainstream Christian notion that one must be born again, of fire, not just 'baptized' as an ordinance. Apart from the Apocalrock sightings, NL's gospel hearkens to the fundamental Mormon script: the Book of Mormon. And for NL, it is the message, not an institution, prestige and power. NL's appeal lies in his genuineness, a living example of the sacrifice for what one believes.

But as for me, I don't believe any of it, but I admire NL much, much more than those 15 ensconced in the CAB and "apostle" trappings.

[_RockSlider]

Apart from the Apocalrock sightings, NL's gospel hearkens to the fundamental Mormon script: the Book of Mormon.

I think he referenced the Book of Mormon once. The majority of the few quotes were from D&C. i.e. not so mainstream Christianity as you suggest.

It's nonsense and yet a few of us hold to some warm fuzzy feelings to his preachings (and condemnation of us all). It's a weird Trailer Park family thing I suppose

[_Nightlion]

I'll check it out Nightlion! It may take me a little while to get to it, but I will!

I spent an hour and perused it. The main thing that came to my mind was a comparison to a man who spent many many hours in the archives before they were locked down and who did his dissertation based on Joseph Smith, and who is in my opinion one of the greatest Mormon theologians. Hyrum Andrus.

In Hyrum's many writings you will notice one thing, copious footnotes, the majority of which are to Mormon Scriptures and The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. I would suggest that 1/3 of most pages he produced were footnotes to references that influenced/supported his interpretations of scripture and Joseph Smith's teachings.

What we have with NL's "New Mormon Theology" writings is the total opposite of this. Very few scriptural references, NONE of them from Joseph Smith.

NL would be well to study Hyrum Andrus works and learn about what Joseph Smith and those who personally knew Joseph Smith taught. Perhaps his graven images of stone have left him with unenlightened interpretations of 'Old School Mormon Theology'

But of course HA has never claimed to be a prophet. another pro for him

Kish, I don't get why you seem to support NL and his cause.

Hyrum Andrus did not have the gift and power of the Holy Ghost to get his own revelations. He had to build upon another man's foundation.
What a jealous little jackass you have become. Grindael number two.

[_RockSlider]

Hyrum Andrus did not have the gift and power of the Holy Ghost to get his own revelations. He had to build upon another man's foundation.

Oh do tell how you know this is true and can make this blanket statement?

It was my personal estimation that HA had his calling and election sure, as in had seen christ. Of course you have issues in this department.

[_Nightlion]

Apart from the Apocalrock sightings, NL's gospel hearkens to the fundamental Mormon script: the Book of Mormon.

I think he referenced the Book of Mormon once. The majority of the few quotes were from D&C. i.e. not so mainstream Christianity as you suggest.

It's nonsense and yet a few of us hold to some warm fuzzy feelings to his preachings (and condemnation of us all). It's a weird Trailer Park family thing I suppose

Sounds like your are REAL familiar, even so to vaunt up your bile.
Old Testament Referenced:2 times
New Testament Reference: 7 times
Book of Mormon Referenced: 5 times
Doctrine and Covenants Referenced 13 times
Pearl of Great Price Referenced: 6 times

The Church ought to pay me for the five years I sacrificed in the Church Historical Library suffering great poverty CORRECTING the adolescent musings of men who did not consider themselves so much prophets as they were profiteers. I do not confound Joseph Smith. I continue where he left off.

[_Nightlion]

Hyrum Andrus did not have the gift and power of the Holy Ghost to get his own revelations. He had to build upon another man's foundation.

Oh do tell how you know this is true and can make this blanket statement?

It was my personal estimation that HA had his calling and election sure, as in had seen Christ. Of course you have issues in this department.

Yeah, right. He spent a lifetime craving attention and corrected no errors. Real inspiration there bud. He can make room for Denver Snuffer and the others who publish pish posh to have people in admiration of what great spiritual giants they are.