The PlanS of Salvation

[_RockSlider]

reaching to shelf and randomly grabbing one of his pamphlet sized documents (about 30 of them):

"Doctrine of the Priesthood" series August 1991, Vol. 7 number 8

"Analyzing the Different Orders of the Patriarchal Priesthood."

'You will notice that the Prophet here states that the "High Priesthood" had power to seal the Saints up to "Eternal Life". What is important her is that you recognize the difference between being sealed up to "Eternal Life" and "Eternal Lives" (D&C 132:15-24; TPJS 322) This difference is explained in the 131st section of the Doctrine and Covenants:"


This is a single paragraph quote from page 2. Page 2 goes on to introduce concepts from section 132 that highlights two different orders or divisions of the Patriarchal Priesthood.

This pamphlet is 16 pages and continually references and talks about Joseph Smith and what Joseph Smith had to say about the Partriarchal Priesthood.

You claim to be a prophet, please explain to us about the two divisions of the Patriarchal Priesthood as presented by Joseph Smith. Let's see how your version compares to this single topic in a simple pamphlet of Fred Collier's "Doctrine of the Priesthood" series.

I can tell from what I read of your "New Mormon Theology" that you are going to suck at this, his work is loaded with references to scripture and the TPJS, every page.

guess where he got this information, that's right the same archives you feel you should have been paid for. too funny


I drove to Hanna Utah years back where Fred lived with a few of his wives that had not quite moved to Mexico where his whole family was moving. He was running his press out of that home at the time (Collier's Publishing Co.). I bought two sets of everything he had published to that date as I knew he was moving and his publications would be almost impossible to get going forward.

https://www.amazon.com/Analyzing-differ ... B0006QXMEY

Unlike you, he did not promote himself, but Joseph Smith and the restored gospel Joseph Smith taught.

[_RockSlider]

You already made this point. I could not care less to be numbered among the scholars. They collectively have contributed squat to bringing forth and establishing Zion. Every man who puts his hand to the plow and looking back (like a historian/scholar) is unfit for the kingdom. Need a quote:

Fred's in Mexico working on zion as outlined by Joseph Smith. He is neither a historian nor a scholar, how are you doing in this area?

And you think you know persecution. Fred could teach you all about that as well!

I predict you could come to hate Fred even more than denver. Another man who has seen Christ if such things happen

[_grindael]

All I hear is how scared you are telling everyone to: 'Move on nothing to see here.'

Well that's what any decent person would say to gawkers looking at a train wreck.

[_Nightlion]

You already made this point. I could not care less to be numbered among the scholars. They collectively have contributed squat to bringing forth and establishing Zion. Every man who puts his hand to the plow and looking back (like a historian/scholar) is unfit for the kingdom. Need a quote:

Fred's in Mexico working on zion as outlined by Joseph Smith. He is neither a historian nor a scholar, how are you doing in this area?

And you think you know persecution. Fred could teach you all about that as well!

I predict you could come to hate Fred even more than denver. Another man who has seen Christ if such things happen

Does he believe in Multiple Mortal Probations?
I own one of his books by the way.

Not promoting himself with that press any huh?
What sort of gospel does he preach?
I have never met a polygamist that got it right.

You say he is still alive? Well. Send him a link to my paper. See what HE makes of it? I'll google him if he shows up.

[_Nightlion]

I have a set of Fred Collier's works that could teach you about Mormon Theology and again, puts your theology to shame.

Supposedly you can still get them here:
Church of the Firstborn (Fred Collier)
Book of Revelations by Fred Collier (Available at Confetti Book Store in Spanish Fork, UT).

Name one man of God in scripture that made his bones rehashing what previous prophets brought forth.

How then does a rehasher put an original prophet to shame?

[_RockSlider]

You started a test requesting a "nugget" which I have pulled one from a goldmine to backup my claim (that your documented "New Mormon Theology" is weak sauce.)

Now how about you follow up on the challenge by expounding on the duality of the priesthood of which he taught?

Seems all you can do is change the topic and ask new questions. More weak sauce.

It sounds like the good news, for you, is perhaps Fred's works are still available to you in print. My suggestion, since you are stumped with the topic is to get Fred's works and learn what you should have from those 5 years in the archives.

What's funny is that you dis Joseph Smith and seem to claim yourself some how superior to his teachings. That it somehow belittles a man to 'rehash' what the Prophet of the fullness of the Dispensations of Times taught. Why do you even hold to it being "New Mormon theology" when you ignore the founder of the whole dispensation?

Well at least you have found a home here were the likes of Kish and Sock will give you encouragement (co-dependency of some sort it seems to me).

[_Nightlion]

What you seem to forget is I've witnessed your countenance (Craig Criddle Ph.D 2009) and I've witnessed HA's countenance (many moons in the temple)

You were crazed and scared the hell out of everyone there. Your idol of stone has not served you well.

Yeah! Completely forgot. All I did was raise my voice to be heard from the back where I was standing.

You are making a serious slander here pal. Why bring it up? Exactly. You are scurrying around for some points to prejudice any reader against me.

You scared some might actually read my GREAT THEOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH to a greater view of eternity and a better definition of what God actually is. And if there is one on the planet with some degree of familiarity with Restoration Scripture they will be thunderstruck with how sound my NEW doctrine is supported without new scripture.

[_Nightlion]

You started a test requesting a "nugget" which I have pulled one from a goldmine to backup my claim (that your documented "New Mormon Theology" is weak sauce.)

Now how about you follow up on the challenge by expounding on the duality of the priesthood of which he taught?

Seems all you can do is change the topic and ask new questions. More weak sauce.

It sounds like the good news, for you, is perhaps Fred's works are still available to you in print. My suggestion, since you are stumped with the topic is to get Fred's works and learn what you should have from those 5 years in the archives.

What's funny is that you dis Joseph Smith and seem to claim yourself some how superior to his teachings. That it somehow belittles a man to 'rehash' what the Prophet of the fullness of the Dispensations of Times taught. Why do you even hold to it being "New Mormon theology" when you ignore the founder of the whole dispensation?

Well at least you have found a home here were the likes of Kish and Sock will give you encouragement (co-dependency of some sort it seems to me).

Now you even stoop to offending nicer fellows than you.
I went to Ken Sander's Rare Books at YOUR behest and the pamphlet you speak to is not available. I noticed however that Fred Collier is a huge Brighamite. Brigham was a spiritual dolt. He misconstrued the Restoration. It is his blunders and Snow's I correct. I continue from where Joseph left off. I do not change anything from him. You failed to grasp the points I make. Could be the blindness of a darkened heart consistent with what you bring now.

Where did Joseph suggest all was known?

I got work to do to pay my bills. I have a life away from this page. Why not make a direct pronouncement of anyone's superior theology. Like Multiple Mortal Probations. Where do these guys find the least justification for this whale of a tale?

Jim Harmston was Joseph Smith Oh, and Napoleon..... OOPS they both were alive at the same time. I pointed that out to Hamsters a long time ago.

Christopher WhoseANut was also Hyrum Smith.

[_RockSlider]

You have answered my counter challenge with ramblings. I guess we are done here

[_Nightlion]

You have answered my counter challenge with ramblings. I guess we are done here

Would it have killed you to put up some substance?
You are the one hiding behind the skirts of what only amounts to a boogie man of no substance.

I am fully capable of admitting something is true, let it come from where it may. I was given to open up what I opened up. Prophets are constrained to what God gives them. Anyone can run amok spouting to no end and pretend it is some great truth. Christ only did that which the Father gave him to do. He could have revolutionized all of humanity and ruled all nations in his time. Submission to the will of God is a key to salvation itself. We do the will of God when it is give to us. We are not commanded all day everyday in all things.

Fred Collier obviously thought it his mission to sift the words of dead prophets to glean tib bits that those prophets may or may not have intended. It is HIS own work. I seriously doubt God gives a fig about it.

If you want to explain what points Fred makes about two patriarchal priesthoods I will give you my opinion. If I judge it is correct I will say so. I presently have no thoughts about it. I certainly will once I hear it.