God Anxiety: The Intellectual Roots of Atheism

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Anxiety is a killer.
When education reveals God's hand in all things to those who have not achieved a true saint relationship with God the disconnect creates great anxiety. Anxiety is unacceptable to all life forms. Therefore to rid oneself of anxiety of what to do with a certainty of God, most often it is that very certainty of God that must die. To save the life of the inappropriately educated and ill prepared for a manifest reality the intellect elects to kill God. The frenetic jocularity of a mind gone mad takes over as the base mental state. They never ending mocking of all things attributable to God begins.

This aberration manifests otherwise in such obvious absurdities as blind belief in evolution and wild physics extrapolations that get sucked into the vacuum of dead space where a healthy relationship with God ought to abide.

Even those who are raised in religion where only hypocrisy rules the disconnect has no remedy and remains likely because a 'true saint accomplished knowledge of God' is never achieved and indeed CANNOT be achieved in conflict with a given religious heritage, one that inappropriately administers a dysfunctional religion rife with condemnation holding sacred things in error, incapable of leading followers to a true saint status with Christ in God.

Eventually there grows a dominant culture of faith zombies, a living dead to all things God. This culture grows increasingly militant to dominate the less than fully cured of all God belief to hasten a full assimilation to their kingdom of 'right' thinking insanity where there is peace and security in the pool of damnation functioning as bliss for now, they float about fully amused in the delights of numb conscience.

A working theory.

[_sock puppet]

Nightlion,

I was happy to learn at a precocious age that Santa Claus was not real, despite what my parents and other adults were peddling in regard to Christmas. I had fear of Santa Claus. No one lives a perfect childhood year. I feared I might be on the 'naughty' list and get a lump of coal. It was relief when that would not be the case. So I was actually glad to learn that my parents were the benefactor called 'Santa Claus', that no one kept a naughty or nice list and that my parents, year in, year out gave me 'nice list' gifts.

The god myth perpetuated longer. My yearning for the hope of someday again seeing grandparents (real and quasi in my neighborhood) who had died was very powerful. (We as a society rarely teach each other in how to deal with the permanence of loss of a person who was important to us.) Despite the growing void of evidence for god and a hereafter, I clung tightly to the hope that there were. The promise, the hope had me set aside the lack of evidence, which the more I learned grew more vast in the expanse of that vacuum, longer than any completely reasonable person would.

But, in the end, I could not keep propping up the myth as more and more legs were revealed to not exist. There is no evidence.

Would I like to see these people again? Most if not nearly all of them, yes. Most definitely yes. But as more and more of my experience with reality, including from my chosen line of work, depends on evidence, reliable, verifiable evidence, I reached a point of absurdity in yet clinging to the myth for which there was none.

In a sense, I envy you for your 'faith'. But in so many other senses, I feel liberated.

Just as much as I had the zeal of a young Mormon missionary decades ago, the emotional pain that others would not see what appeared to me to be so clear and right in front of us all, I have since about 10 years after my own tipping point felt a pain from the zeal that evidence and logic and reason stand just if not more starkly 'center stage' before us all. I want for all to see it, particularly before they invest too much in religion, i.e., succumb to fear of god and give up so much of life's experiences.

But, if you reflect back on the years we've known each other on this board, I have not sought to enlist you in my evidence-centric atheism. And I will not do so as to you, Nightlion. For as much as I believe in the evidence based model of epistemology, I tip my hat to the comfort you receive in yet believing and hoping for an afterlife where you might get to see those people again that were so important to you in earlier stages of life.

So from my evidence-centric perspective, as the band Kansas put it so well in the 1976 song,

Carry on my wayward son
For there'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest

[_grindael]

The Wall

I'm woven in a fantasy,
I can't believe the things I see
The path that I have chosen now has led me to a wall
And with each passing day I feel a little more like something dear was lost

It rises now before me,
A dark and silent barrier between,
All I am, and all that I would ever want to be
It's just a travesty,
Towering, marking off the boundaries my spirit would erase

To pass beyond is what I seek,
I fear that I may be too weak
And those are few who've seen it through to glimpse the other side,
The promised land is waiting like a maiden that is soon to be a bride

The moment is a masterpiece,
The weight of indecision's in the air
Standing there,
The symbol and the sum of all that's me
It's just a travesty,
Towering, blocking out the light and blinding me
I want to see

Gold and diamonds cast a spell,
It's not for me, I know it well
The riches that I seek are waiting on the other side
There's more than I can measure in the treasures of the love that I can find

And though it's always been with me,
I must tear down the wall and let it be
All I am, and all that I was ever meant to be,
In harmony
Shining true and smiling back at all who wait to cross
There is no loss

Kansas

Tear down this ApocalCROCK. It's the only way to get to the other side: Sanity.

[_Nightlion]

Tear down this ApocalCROCK. It's the only way to get to the other side: Sanity.

What do you know about The Apocalrock? You pretend to exhaustively pursue your quarry. Why have you never requested my book? I have become as important to your agenda as Joseph Smith......eh?
S C A R E D ?

People already in atheism's grip have visited me. They never earnestly investigate my revelations. Their anxiety will not allow it.

[_Gadianton]

Why only a theory? What is stopping you from looking over this forum for a couple minutes and beholding the apocalrock and then confirming it an irrefutable fact?

[_grindael]

What do you know about The Apocalrock? People already in atheism's grip have visited me. They never earnestly investigate my revelations....

You mean the ApocalCROCK? Of course no one earnestly investigates your delusions. They still have all their marbles. But I'm sure if you search long and hard you will find a few that have lost enough of them to bond with you. Good luck with that. Oh yeah, still no takers. Even the other loonies know better.

[_Nightlion]

What do you know about The Apocalrock? People already in atheism's grip have visited me. They never earnestly investigate my revelations....

You mean the ApocalCROCK? Of course no one earnestly investigates your delusions. They still have all their marbles. But I'm sure if you search long and hard you will find a few that have lost enough of them to bond with you. Good luck with that. Oh yeah, still no takers. Even the other loonies know better.

The people are unprepared for certain knowledge of God's reality. Like the children of Israel. All they need to do is lift up their eyes and look. The conclusion is inescapable. The revelation is that what has been hidden in plain sight is now manifested. It proves to this generation of atheism and hypocrisy what's what. Would it not be reasonable of God to prepare something of a reckoning before he suddenly makes a new world of this earth?

At a symposium Sandra Tanner was shown the picture of Joseph Smith holding the Gold Plates up to his chin with the number 3 wrapped around his head as was the hair style of his day within the date 1830 written in the living trees. Where the prophets Mormon and Moroni are seen in the same photograph. Mormon is working on a tilt up desk holding a plate in his left hand with a stylus in his right hand. Moroni is turned away taking two sets of plates Sandra looked at it for less than a second and said I was not credible. That is hysteria. A dozen others cornered me at the event and saw the photograph and admitted what I claimed. Nobody scoffed who looked earnestly.

I trace the sightings using carbon paper and you call it etch a sketch drawings. These are rough rocks Einstein. I spent a thousand dollars for artistic help on a YouTube video of The Revelation of John. Take a peek. Linked in my sig.

[_Nightlion]

Why only a theory? What is stopping you from looking over this forum for a couple minutes and beholding the apocalrock and then confirming it an irrefutable fact?

The Apocalrock is NOT a seer stone unto me. I do not ask it to answer questions. It does not illuminate a response. It is the Art of God. I was given to reveal it. It says much in its own right. Like its characterization of Islam and the kinder representation of the Eastern Religions. It has suggested a need for additional insights into my theology which ended up opening a much needed understanding of how it happens people are born gay. I had to work that out with solemn and ponderous thought. But I already had a revolutionary New Mormon Theology from my work in the early Eighties.

[_grindael]

The people are unprepared for certain knowledge of God's reality. Like the children of Israel. All they need to do is lift up their eyes and look. The conclusion is inescapable. The revelation is that what has been hidden in plain sight is now manifested. It proves to this generation of atheism and hypocrisy what's what. Would it not be reasonable of God to prepare something of a reckoning before he suddenly makes a new world of this earth?

This is simply delusion. It's you little pet hobby. Good for you. But to ascribe it to some kind of God messaging is simply ridiculous and rather desperate. Of course since all you so called prophets have nothing else to back up your delusions, it's always some esoteric nonsense that makes no sense to anyone but you. At least some people who have used an etch-a-sketch have the skill to draw.

And spending a grand to try and polish a turd... well, to each his own. Thing is, it proves nothing. Atheism will go on as will your hypocrisy. And who can say what is "reasonable" to God? Men have been trying that since time immemorial and it's gotten them nothing but trouble and they've drug countless innocents into their crazy schemes and wars. I mean, it's really beyond silly to claim to be a prophet and validate your own supposed calling by claiming to see things in rocks that no one else can see and could be anything. You see what you want to see, it's all just confirmation bias. How about doing something that is said to be what prophets actually do, like going into the public and just healing everyone and raising the dead? Ah, but that is always beyond you silly prophet types or you blame your lack of power and calling on everyone but yourself. In the book of revelation it describes what actual prophets are supposed to do...

And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.” 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

No mistaking THAT. Then there is Nightlion... Look at my silly pictures... I have the power of God...

Yes, you do repeat yourself, I've seen you post the story of Sandra Tanner half a dozen times. Leave it to you to try shoving your ApocalCROCK on people that are busy with other things and then denigrating them for not lauding your rude interruption. It's not hysteria, its called a brush off.

[_grindael]

It [The ApocalCROCK] has suggested a need for additional insights into my theology ...

Yep, that says it all. You know, it would be much more palatable if you simply put out that stuff and said how cool it was. But you have to try and turn it into some kind of "calling" for you to promote your own personal BS and denigrate everyone else. That is the hypocrisy. It's all about YOU, not the pictures you see in the rocks.

I'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking, I simply put out evidence and let the readers decide. Historians actually have disagreements among themselves and that is natural and right. But you can't handle that and have to denigrate the people that don't agree with your wacky interpretations, and put them down for not believing as you do. You never debate actual evidence, you simply preach your own brand of garbage. I actually do the time and go read and study the sources. Spend countless hours reading Journals and records and statements. There is a world of difference between the two approaches but this will always be lost on self aggrandizing hypocrites like you.