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Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:30 pm
by _Sanctorian
Unfortunately the vast majority of active TBMs fall under this category of ignorance.
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:47 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
WD,
I know you're kind of in a unique place with Mormonism, so don't take this as antagonistic, but I'm curious. Where do you fall on the WoW? I think if memory serves you mentioned you like beer?
- Doc
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:51 pm
by _Maureen
Most of the posters at Mormonhub were looking at the OP's thread as humorous. There are those that are ignorant about baking ingredients, but at least a few understand that small amounts of alcohol are inevitable when eating something delicious.
M.
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:33 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Cool. You do drink beer. Thought so.
- Doc
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:50 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
So, I was curious what the LDS church has to say about beer after reading the Dawg's thoughts on the matter and:
https://history.lds.org/article/doctrin ... g=eng&_r=1Nevertheless, it required time to wind down practices that were so deeply ingrained in family tradition and culture, especially when fermented beverages of all kinds were frequently used for medicinal purposes. The term “strong drink” certainly included distilled spirits such as whiskey, which thereafter the Latter-day Saints generally shunned. They took a more moderate approach to milder alcoholic beverages like beer and “pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.” For the next two generations, Latter-day Saint leaders taught the Word of Wisdom as a command from God, but they tolerated a variety of viewpoints on how strictly the commandment should be observed. This incubation period gave the Saints time to develop their own tradition of abstinence from habit-forming substances. By the early 20th century, when scientific medicines were more widely available and temple attendance had become a more regular feature of Latter-day Saint worship, the Church was ready to accept a more exacting standard of observance that would eliminate problems like alcoholism from among the obedient. In 1921, the Lord inspired President Heber J. Grant to call on all Saints to live the Word of Wisdom to the letter by completely abstaining from all alcohol, coffee, tea, and tobacco. Today Church members are expected to live this higher standard.
It literally is not living the WoW "to the letter" if you're abstaining from beer. It's literally not a commandment nor a constraint if you're living the WoW "to the letter". "Pure wine of the grape" is not grape juice, but purely made from grapes and is alcoholic. It's sacramental. If 'hot drinks' are verboten, as a literal reading of the WoW would require, then hot chocolate is off the table.
The WoW thing is a mess, and just ends up being an obedience test. That's it.
- Doc
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:53 am
by _Sanctorian
The WOW is stupid. If God were truly the author of it, he'd be the dumbest creator of all time.
Re: WOW fail in EQ
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 am
by _Everybody Wang Chung
Sanctorian wrote:The WOW is stupid. If God were truly the author of it, he'd be the dumbest creator of all time.
Agreed.
If God were indeed the author of the WOW, I imagine he would have told Joseph something like this:
"Joseph, I know this sounds strange with your limited knowledge but I want to command all the Saints to wash their hands after using the bathroom and before meals. You see Joseph, I created these microscopic organisms called germs and bacteria that are too small to see and won't be discovered by humans for a while. These creations of mine are the cause of most the diseases and death on the earth now. Washing your hands will eliminate most of the bacteria and germs. Also, please tell the Saints to boil all their water before drinking. Again, I've created many deadly organisms that live in the water that kill millions of my children every single year. By boiling the water, the Saints will kill most of these deadly creations."
Instead, the WOW gave the Saints truly inspired gems like tobacco should be used as poultice for livestock?! Good Lord!
The WOW is a real testimony killer for many.