Bof Mormon translation - Des News still perpetuates the lie.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Since when is a piece of artwork a "history course" in itself? It's not a history course, merely what should be a realistic rendition of the facts as best understood by the person painting them. Viewers are entitled to see art that depicts the facts. After all, the church wants everyone to pay 10% of their income. The Book of Mormon translation serves as an advertisement for the church --a false advertisement too.

I understand, but for many Mormons the only important fact is that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon.

Does this bother you?
https://www.lds.org/media-library/image ... 8?lang=eng

" Most historians surmise that Jesus’ cross was more likely to have been T-shaped, with the vertical element notched to allow executioners to tie the victim to the crossbeam, then raise it and set it securely into the top"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 0d61145a83

[_Shulem]

I understand, but for many Mormons the only important fact is that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon.

Hold on, right there, sir. It is NOT a fact that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon with respect to golden plates written in so-called reformed hieroglyphics. It's not a fact! It is merely a claim and one that is accepted on faith by those who believe it. So, let's get the record straight on that. It is however, a fact, that Joseph Smith claimed to translate Egyptian into English but it's not an established fact that he actually did so.

Mormon claims about translations and visions are hocus-pocus nonsense -- not facts.

[_Shulem]

Does this bother you?
https://www.lds.org/media-library/image ... 8?lang=eng

" Most historians surmise that Jesus’ cross was more likely to have been T-shaped, with the vertical element notched to allow executioners to tie the victim to the crossbeam, then raise it and set it securely into the top"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 0d61145a83

Any depiction of Jesus being crucified bothers me. The whole thing is barbaric and gross just as the Old Testament is barbaric and gross -- written by crafty men who worshipped a blood thirsty god who has no place in modern society today.

Away with Jesus and away with the blood thirsty god of the Bible!

[_moksha]

True Blue Mormons may use such words as "Seer Stone" much like a bronco does to buck cowboys and critics off its back, but they know Joseph sat diligently looking at the golden plates while using a pair of ancient eyeglasses to understand the Jacobean-like English hidden in the Reformed Egyptian symbols. The Deseret News understands this and used that graphic for them.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Hold on, right there, sir. It is NOT a fact that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon with respect to golden plates written in so-called reformed hieroglyphics. It's not a fact! It is merely a claim and one that is accepted on faith by those who believe it. So, let's get the record straight on that. It is however, a fact, that Joseph Smith claimed to translate Egyptian into English but it's not an established fact that he actually did so.

Mormon claims about translations and visions are hocus-pocus nonsense -- not facts.

but for them it is a "fact"

[_I have a question]

Hold on, right there, sir. It is NOT a fact that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon with respect to golden plates written in so-called reformed hieroglyphics. It's not a fact! It is merely a claim and one that is accepted on faith by those who believe it. So, let's get the record straight on that. It is however, a fact, that Joseph Smith claimed to translate Egyptian into English but it's not an established fact that he actually did so.

Mormon claims about translations and visions are hocus-pocus nonsense -- not facts.

but for them it is a "fact"

Not since the Church published the essay "Book of Mormon Translation". Since then it has been a (new) fact that Joseph merely dictated words seen on a rock whilst staring at it in his hat without using any plates whatsoever.

[_Shulem]

but for them it is a "fact"

Members of the Mormon cult strive to please their leaders and follow their direction no matter the cost. There is no room for dissent or questioning the wisdom of the leaders. The leaders have the cult under tight control telling the members what to think and feel. The Mormon church and testimony is a cult operation run by the leadership and dare anyone question them.

Church artists are just as interested in pleasing their leaders as they are their make believe friend, Jesus. That's a fact!

[_Shulem]

Not since the Church published the essay "Book of Mormon Translation". Since then it has been a (new) fact that Joseph merely dictated words seen on a rock whilst staring at it in his hat without using any plates whatsoever.

The Internet has become the greatest source of information to the world. The church has no choice, information is exposed/revealed which it does not favor. But that's just too bad for the church. The sneaky church hid information from its members and that's not going over too well as we have witnessed that there really is a mass exodus from Mormonism. The world sees it for what it really is: A weird cult.

The Book of Mormon doesn't have the kind of appeal that it once might have had on unsuspecting members and nonmembers alike. In the modern age of information it's readily apparent that the book is a complete fraud. Only a blind testimony from someone who covers their eyes and ears can believe it.

[_Choyo Chagas]

...
facts.

but for them it is a "fact"

fact... a simple word; may has different meanings

for example:
1. "is" (the precise use of the word "is") --- bill clinton
2. "Alternative facts" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts) --- donald trump

i am talking about american presidents

this way, you may call my comment as treason; as i am not american, i am innocent...