A 12 year olds sexuality is political, apparently...

[_I have a question]

Judd Law, the lay bishop who leads the congregation south of Salt Lake City, said in a statement that Savannah was a “brave young girl” and that the congregation was making sure she and her family feel loved. But he said the unauthorized recording and a “disruptive demonstration” by a group of non-Mormon adults who were there were “problematic”.

“We do not do politics in our chapels,” Law said, “and exploiting this recording for political purposes is inconsistent with the nature of our worship services.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ne-cut-off

In what way was her testimony political?
(Remember, her testimony was cut because of its content, not because it was being recorded).

What say you Brother Gordon?

Scott Gordon, president of FairMormon, a volunteer organization that supports the church, said it would have been OK for Savannah to come out as gay during testimony, but that she crossed the line when she mischaracterized church teachings by saying God would want her to have a partner and get married.

[_Lemmie]

a “disruptive demonstration” by a group of non-Mormon adults who were there

That story has grown, hasn't it? I sill haven't seen any evidence of this, other than the words of the bishop who wasn't there. Are there any corroborating reports?

[_I have a question]

a “disruptive demonstration” by a group of non-Mormon adults who were there

That story has grown, hasn't it? I sill haven't seen any evidence of this, other than the words of the bishop who wasn't there. Are there any corroborating reports?

Nope.
The only disruption appears to have been the sound of this young girl sobbing her heart out in the congregation after having the microphone cut and being told to sit down.

The New York Times

On the day in May that Savannah stood up to speak in front of her Mormon congregation, she did not get through everything she had wanted to say.

The 12-year-old was telling other members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that she is a lesbian. “No part of me is a mistake,” she said during a testimony meeting, a monthly event at her church in Eagle Mountain, Utah. “I do not choose to be this way, and it is not a fad.”

As Savannah, now 13, was nearing the end of her comments, after she had come out to her fellow worshipers, her microphone was switched off. She tapped it and then looked to a church leader to see what had happened.

He told her that she could return to her seat.

“I think they did that because they didn’t want my message,” Savannah said in a phone interview on Wednesday. “I don’t want to be mean to them if this isn’t true, but I felt like they were scared of me and what I was saying.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/us/m ... peech.html

I think she's dead right.
Local Leaders have not the first clue what to do, they're getting little sensible guidance from SLC, and the geriatric white 15 are getting crickets from above. It's the Priesthood Ban all over again - the Church will be slow, late and will disenfranchise several generations and leave a legacy of embarrassment before catching up with where society has already moved.

Monson, Eyring and Uchtdorf have presided upon the biggest period of disaster for the Church since, well, I'm not even sure there's a precedent. And they've compounded it with mixed messages, badly thought through (if at all) pr spin which is clearly contradicted by policy and procedure, leaks, historical half-confession and a lack of clear leadership for decades. It's a massive mess, and Nelson & Co. ain't going to pull it back together.

It is what it is. A minority cult increasingly at odds with humanity.
I hope it dies a slow and ignominiously embarrassing death. It's what it deserves.

[_Shulem]

Local Leaders have not the first clue what to do, they're getting little sensible guidance from SLC, and the geriatric white 15 are getting crickets from above.

The 15 old white men pretend to be prophets, but they don't prophesy. They pretend to be seers, but the don't see the future. They pretend to be revelators, but they have no revelations. They pretend to be translators, but none of them can read the ancient writing on the Facsimiles.

They are deadbeat prophets. They don fancy suits and and love to be seen of men. They love to appear before crowds and be adored and questioned by nobody. They love the power to make others think and feel what they will. They love to be heard for their long prayers. They think they are so special in the eyes of heaven.

Verily, verily, I say unto you: "They have their reward".

[_Shulem]

Monson, Eyring and Uchtdorf have presided upon the biggest period of disaster for the Church since, well, I'm not even sure there's a precedent. And they've compounded it with mixed messages, badly thought through (if at all) pr spin which is clearly contradicted by policy and procedure, leaks, historical half-confession and a lack of clear leadership for decades. It's a massive mess, and Nelson & Co. ain't going to pull it back together.

It is what it is. A minority cult increasingly at odds with humanity.
I hope it dies a slow and ignominiously embarrassing death. It's what it deserves.

Without a doubt, Monson has proven to be the biggest clown in Mormon history. He's a prophet-clown -- providing entertainment for the church in the form of poems, well wishes, flowers, boxes of candy, goofy smiles, and itching ears. The man is a total joke. He hasn't a prophetic bone in his body. All he can do is rhyme and talk about recycled sentimental garbage.

And yes, the cult is dying, it's bleeding profusely and it's terminally ill. Watch the funds dry up as tithe dollars diminish and the liabilities increase. The church will have to sell its holdings (land) to raise cash to keep the General Authorities afloat and maintain their temples. It's truly a pleasure anticipating the church entering an era of financial disaster.

(rubbing my hands in glee)

[_JLHPROF]

And yes, the cult is dying, it's bleeding profusely and it's terminally ill.

[_Shulem]

The world rolls its eyes at the anachronisms of the Book of Mormon and the nonsense declared in the Explanations of the Facsimiles. Consider the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3. Those bled to death as they rolled off the lying mouth of Joseph Smith -- DOA.

The founding translator was a fake.

[_Shulem]

Scott Gordon, president of FairMormon, a volunteer organization that supports the church, said it would have been OK for Savannah to come out as gay during testimony, but that she crossed the line when she mischaracterized church teachings by saying God would want her to have a partner and get married.

Not too many years ago it would have been equally controversial for an interracial (black & white) couple to get up at the pulpit and say pretty much the same thing with hopes of marrying in the temple. Just imagine Joseph Fielding Smith's reaction! Racist Mormons yesterday are of the same cloth as Mormons today who preach that gay love is evil.

Mormons who preach that gay love is evil are despicable and pollute the earth with their hate.

[_Morley]

Racist Mormons yesterday are of the same cloth as Mormons today who preach that gay love is evil.

This.

[_fetchface]

"We do not do politics in our chapels." Law said.

That statement is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read. What gaslighting! As if my bishop didn't read a letter over the pulpit almost weekly for months asking members to donate more to the "Yes on 8" campaign! As if members don't make uncorrected political statements from the pulpit all the time!

It was explained to us by our bishop that we don't do *partisan* politics in our chapels but moral politics were fair game. It is only when you dare to disagree with the brethren that moral politics become off-limits.

This guy must be from Utah where the brethren just directly call the legislators to let them know what they are supposed to do, leaving the pulpit relatively free of politics.