A 12 year olds sexuality is political, apparently...

[_JLHPROF]

I'm pretty sure Jersey Girl meant she was discussing "her faith" while IN "her own church."

And in my experience, no Catholic states they "have faith in the Catholic Church," expressing faith in a church is pretty unique to Mormons.

Well, that makes more sense.

[_JLHPROF]

What did she say that goes against Church teachings?

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1060338#p1060338

[_Jersey Girl]

How is it using the pulpit as a social soapbox when she was discussing her faith in her own church?

How on earth was she stating she had faith in the Church by bearing testimony of things that go against the Church teachings?
Is that like stating you have faith in the Catholic Church but the Pope is wrong about everything?

Let me rephrase that so you understand what I meant.

She was in her own church, discussing her faith.

Does that help?

[Guest]

What did she say that goes against Church teachings?

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1060338#p1060338

And by following that link, we find jlhprof telling us that Mormons believe:
- God messed up when he made Savannah to be gay.
- God did NOT make Savannah gay on purpose.
- God will NOT inform gay people they were made wrong, even though they were.
- God says Savannah canNOT have a marriage and family as a lesbian.
- God knows Savannah is NOT perfect, just the way she is.

According to Mormon doctrine all of these are questionable at least, and possibly just plain wrong.
Now, someone may not consider them "false" but in the context of the meeting in which they were presented they would be.

Down the rabbit hole indeed.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1060338#p1060338

So, basically everything she said was fine. You just say stuff, don't you? Just you know... Whatever bubbles up in your brain and you just start typing. Learn how to source your assertions (if you actually have any), and, also, take it up with your Church because:

https://mormonandgay.lds.org/

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

From another thread...

It can be God's Church and be out of order. It operates on common consent so it is given its agency. At least for now...
God will steady his own ark.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46248&p=1058449#p1058449

Now that's a better answer to give Savannah.

[_consiglieri]

To the public, the church says we welcome all. See Elder Holland's GC talk for example about wanting everybody in the choir. (Note, however, that Elder Holland makes it clear you have to sing the correct words to be in the choir!)

But what happens inside church buildings is a different matter. Inside the church, there simply is no space for voicing a dissenting opinion, even when done respectfully as was done here by this very brave 12-year old girl.

No. Inside the church walls, if you go off script, your mic gets cut. Which makes one thing very clear.

When it comes to choosing between following the prophet and following Jesus by loving others, following the prophet trumps every single time!

[_I have a question]

Fast and Testimony Meeting

Fast and testimony meetings are held once a month, usually the first Sunday. Generally, babies are blessed on that day. After the sacrament, the conducting brother bears a brief testimony. He then invites members to bear brief, heartfelt testimonies of the Savior, His teachings, and the Restoration. Parents and teachers should help children learn what a testimony is and when it is appropriate for them to express it. Younger children should learn to share their testimonies at home or in Primary until they are old enough to bear an appropriate testimony unaided in fast and testimony meeting.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2004/08/wors ... g=eng&_r=1

She did nothing wrong.
She was expressing her heartfelt testimony about herself and her Saviour.

Her mic was cut off because of homophobia and an inbuilt intolerance towards diversity.
Combined with volunteer leadership and ineffective guidance and training from a ridiculously narrow minded nepotistically concocted leadership group.

[_Chap]

And in my experience, no Catholic states they "have faith in the Catholic Church," expressing faith in a church is pretty unique to Mormons.

Here is the Apostle's Creed, frequently recited by Roman Catholic congregations and also congregations of a number of other historical churches:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.

Be it understood that while many Roman Catholics probably understand the bolded words as referring specifically to their own church, other churches understand it as the 'universal' (catholikos is the Greek word for that) church of those who believe in the core doctrines of christianity.

[_Lemmie]

And in my experience, no Catholic states they "have faith in the Catholic Church," expressing faith in a church is pretty unique to Mormons.

Here is the Apostle's Creed, frequently recited by Roman Catholic congregations and also congregations of a number of other historical churches:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.

Good point, Chap. However, although similar words are used, "I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church," in my experience they don't say "I have faith in," or as Mormons say, "I know the Church is true." Mormons mean something entirely different.

Just one example, extremely relevant to this case:

In the Creed, we profess that the Church is “Catholic”; in other words, she is universal. We can understand this catholicity in three ways. First, the Church is catholic because she proclaims the apostolic faith in its entirety; she is the place where we meet Christ in his sacraments and receive the spiritual gifts needed to grow in holiness together with our brothers and sisters. The Church is also catholic because her communion embraces the whole human race, and she is sent to bring to the entire world the joy of salvation and the truth of the Gospel. Finally, the Church is catholic because she reconciles the wonderful diversity of God’s gifts to build up his People in unity and harmony. Let us ask the Lord to make us more catholic – to enable us, like a great family, to grow together in faith and love, to draw others to Jesus in the communion of the Church, and to welcome the gifts and contributions of everyone, in order to create a joyful symphony of praise to God for his goodness, his grace, and his redemptive love.

On the Catholicity of the Church
[From] the Holy Father’s continuing catechesis on the Creed during his weekly General Audience today in St. Peter’s Square.

https://zenit.org/articles/on-the-catho ... he-church/

As this thread notes, Mormons quite obviously don't "welcome the gifts and contributions of everyone."