Genealogical Confusion in Book of Abraham

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consiglieri wrote:
Shulem wrote:It's further proof that Smith via his holy ghost didn't know what he was doing or what he was talking about. Just making stuff up out of thin air to woo his followers.

How do you explain the unlikely, but Egyptologically sound, name of "Aha" showing up in the Book of Mormon?

Joseph had more than a few "Aha" moments. Picture him using that pronouncement each time he received a flash revelation.

Aha this! Aha that!

Joseph thrived on his "Aha" moments. Makes sense he'd coin the word into a name to memorialize it.

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Probably Brent Metcalfe's article, "The Curious Textual History of 'Egyptus' the Wife of Ham," is worth considering here.

Metcalfe notes that Ham's wife was called Zeptah in the earliest manuscripts, and Ham and Zeptah's daughter was called Egyptes.
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Nevo wrote:Probably Brent Metcalfe's article, "The Curious Textual History of 'Egyptus' the Wife of Ham," is worth considering here.

Metcalfe notes that Ham's wife was called Zeptah in the earliest manuscripts, and Ham and Zeptah's daughter was called Egyptes.


Thanks, Nevo!
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consiglieri wrote:This from our friends at Wikipedia about Menes, who was also known as Hor-Aha.

Menes (/ˈmiːniːz/; Egyptian: mnj, probably pronounced */maˈnij/;[5] Ancient Greek: Μήνης;[4] Arabic: مينا‎‎) was a pharaoh of the Early Dynastic Period of ancient Egypt credited by classical tradition with having united Upper and Lower Egypt and as the founder of the First Dynasty.[6]

The identity of Menes is the subject of ongoing debate, although mainstream Egyptological consensus identifies Menes with the Naqada III ruler Narmer[1][2][3] (most likely) or First Dynasty pharaoh Hor-Aha.[7] Both pharaohs are credited with the unification of Egypt to different degrees by various authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menes


The "Hor" element of the name is short for "Horus" and shows up several times in the Book of Mormon, as in Korihor, Nehor and Pa-Hor-an.

It should not be overlooked that the name "Aha" also shows up in the Book of Mormon in a passing reference to a military commander.

Alma 16:5 Therefore, he that had been appointed chief captain over the armies of the Nephites, (and his name was Zoram, and he had two sons, Lehi and Aha)—now Zoram and his two sons, knowing that Alma was high priest over the church, and having heard that he had the spirit of prophecy, therefore they went unto him and desired of him to know whither the Lord would that they should go into the wilderness in search of their brethren, who had been taken captive by the Lamanites.


Excellent work, consig!
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Kishkumen wrote:
Nevo wrote:Probably Brent Metcalfe's article, "The Curious Textual History of 'Egyptus' the Wife of Ham," is worth considering here.

Metcalfe notes that Ham's wife was called Zeptah in the earliest manuscripts, and Ham and Zeptah's daughter was called Egyptes.


Thanks, Nevo!


It certainly looks like a winner.
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consiglieri wrote:
Shulem wrote:
It's further proof that Smith via his holy ghost didn't know what he was doing or what he was talking about. Just making stuff up out of thin air to woo his followers.


How do you explain the unlikely, but Egyptologically sound, name of "Aha" showing up in the Book of Mormon?

Sure, it could just be coincidence.

But if I were coming up with names for minor characters, I don't know that I would come up with "Aha."

Were there other names like that in Joseph Smith's community?

Or could he have been aware this was a name for Menes from other sources?


You might not have come up with the name "AHA" but a pop group in Norway did.
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Re: Genealogical Confusion in Book of Abraham

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Kishkumen wrote:
The "Hor" element of the name is short for "Horus" and shows up several times in the Book of Mormon, as in Korihor, Nehor and Pa-Hor-an.


Pure coincidence, nothing more. Joseph Smith was tinkering and messing around with vowels and consonants. It is was not the result of miraculous translation or revelation -- just pure tinkering with words.

I can only imagine that the word Hor is found in many languages bother ancient and modern. Joseph Smith didn't know anything about the ancient Egyptian language and his translations were fraudulent. The Explanations of the Facsimiles are an abomination -- utter blasphemy.
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