Continuing Revelation--Another 'Get Out of Jail Free' Card

[_sock puppet]

When past prophecies by forerunning LDS 'prophets, seers and revelators' turn out to be obviously false, or even backed away from by the current 'prophets, seers and revelators', they will resort to claiming the about-face is why continuing revelation is such an important aspect that the LDS hierarchy provides. It gives the FP/12 an endless supply of 'get out of jail free' cards while they play the game.

There are numerous problems with that. One is that it basically postulates that continuing revelation of, say, 1949 wasn't then as valuable as it is in 2017. After all, the about-face impeaches in 2017 the validity of the earlier, 1949 revelation. It also impeaches the value of current revelation in 2017, as it leaves one wondering what the different, logically inconsistnt revelation of 2026 will bring. That is, today's continuing revelation might be declared bunk in 2026, so why now in 2017 give a rat's ass what the 2017 continuous revelation is?

By claiming that continuous revelation means that TBMs don't need to worry about past pronouncements by LDS FP/12, and instead just focus on the current, they are cheapening and demeaning the value of their otherwise vaunted 'continuing revelation'.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I like the story in the Old Testament where Nathan authorizes David to build the temple, and then changes his mind and said the Lord countermanded him.

Or when Joshua is deceived by the Gibeonites into a peace treaty after being told by the Lord to wipe them out. Then, when Saul wanted victories he nearly wiped out the Gibeonites and the Lord imposed a three-year famine upon Israel for violating the peace treaty.

And then there's Peter who received three identical visions commanding him to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. And then, the Church's first general conference, he refused to eat with the Gentiles whereupon Paul called him a false brother.

Good thing you don't hold prophets to a human standard of error as in the Bible. Would make your anti-apologetic efforts pretty messy.

[Guest]

I like the story in the Old Testament where Nathan authorizes David to build the temple, and then changes his mind and said the Lord countermanded him.

Did Nathan, when first authorizing David to the build the temple,
claim it was a commandment or directive from the Lord?

Or when Joshua is deceived by the Gibeonites into a peace treaty after being told by the Lord to wipe them out. Then, when Saul wanted victories he nearly wiped out the Gibeonites and the Lord imposed a three-year famine upon Israel for violating the peace treaty.

Seems the Lord might have wanted the Israelites to honor their commitment, even if it was a commitment that the Lord had advised against in the first place.

And then there's Peter who received three identical visions commanding him to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. And then, the Church's first general conference, he refused to eat with the Gentiles whereupon Paul called him a false brother.

Did Peter claim it was continuing revelation from the Lord, who had first commanded him to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, to later refuse to eat with them?

If it was an either/or injunctive or directive from the Lord, not both the earlier and then the later, an inconsistent one, it is not quite as hypocritical as the LDS prophets dancing away from their predecessor prophets having claimed something was a direct commandment from the Lord. See my sig line.

[_Shulem]

The explanation is simple. Church leaders are in a state of perpetual apostasy from one generation to the next. Church leaders just apostatize and move on. They throw dead prophets under the bus and could care less about old revelations.

[_sock puppet]

The explanation is simple. Church leaders are in a state of perpetual apostasy from one generation to the next. Church leaders just apostatize and move on. They throw dead prophets under the bus and could care less about old revelations.

For a religion that baptizes for the dead and emphasizes the importance of genealogy, seems like the LDS FP/12 are all too quick to pull the trigger, throwing their 'fore fathers' under the bus.

[_Shulem]

I like the story in the Old Testament where Nathan authorizes David to build the temple, and then changes his mind and said the Lord countermanded him.

A house of confusion is not a house of order. False prophet Nathan changed his mind out of necessity. Joseph Smith did the same thing when he couldn't get his temple built. Same old story.

Or when Joshua is deceived by the Gibeonites into a peace treaty after being told by the Lord to wipe them out

Blood thirty Jehovah was a murderous god in charge of a horrific cult, Israel. No worries though, Joshua did get around to doing a lot of killing thereafter. Killed men, women, and children -- Just like Isis does today. Same old story.

And then there's Peter who received three identical visions commanding him to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Missionary work among the Jews was unsuccessful so they came up with another idea to get converts and money. Go to the Gentiles. That certainly wasn't rocket science, it was just business in spreading the cult.

And then, the Church's first general conference, he refused to eat with the Gentiles whereupon Paul called him a false brother.

The Spirit of the Lord must have been grieved with all that in house fighting. How would you like it, Bot, if someone in your ward called you a false brother?

Good thing you don't hold prophets to a human standard of error as in the Bible. Would make your anti-apologetic efforts pretty messy.

The Christian church is nothing but a cult. Its roots are founded in blood and murder. The Bible is evil as were the prophets that wrote it.

[_Shulem]

For a religion that baptizes for the dead and emphasizes the importance of genealogy, seems like the LDS FP/12 are all too quick to pull the trigger, throwing their 'fore fathers' under the bus.

Original Mormonism was overthrown when the US government forced the church to give up polygamy. The Mormon prophet had no choice but to comply with the will of the state and throw Brigham Young and others under the bus. Not only did the US government run polygamy over but so also did the next generation of Mormons that forsook their revelations to move the church forward.

[_Dr. Shades]

APOSTASY: When your church changes.
CONTINUING REVELATION: When my church changes.

[_Yahoo Bot]

You two have not read your scriptures. You have a primary child's understanding of what the church teachers and hold the church up to that standard.

Much less spend a lifetime deriding somebody's simple faith when you'd be better off hanging with your kids, doing a better job as a father, skiing, camping, doing good deeds or some such. Not turning gay in your middle age and showing your family to the curb. Really now. REALLY now.

Enough posts for the year. Too many, actually. See you in 2018.

[_Dr Exiled]

Anyway ... back to the subject at hand ... continuing revelation. To me this is the 15 magicians' foundation of their craft. Being able to claim new, contradictory religious products are new revelation and not simply made up "innovations," and having the dupes believe, is the real miracle joseph smith did. This plus america's rise counts for any success they've had over the last 150 years. However, the internet and logic is outing their craft. Today, they are afraid to claim anything as revelation for fear of being exposed. So we are left with the family proclamation, and the children of lgtb persons as the only revelations.