Continuing Revelation--Another 'Get Out of Jail Free' Card

[_sock puppet]

Anyway ... back to the subject at hand ... continuing revelation. To me this is the 15 magicians' foundation of their craft. Being able to claim new, contradictory religious products are new revelation and not simply made up "innovations," and having the dupes believe, is the real miracle joseph smith did. This plus america's rise counts for any success they've had over the last 150 years. However, the internet and logic is outing their craft. Today, they are afraid to claim anything as revelation for fear of being exposed. So we are left with the family proclamation, and the children of lgtb persons as the only revelations.

"[L]ine upon line, precept upon precept... ." 2 Nephi 20:38

Continuing revelation would be of value if it meted out new religious products (actually from an all-knowing god) that complimented, extended and built upon past ones.

"[N]ew, contradictory religious products"? That's where the FP/12 jump the proverbial shark. They impeach their own upline in the 'chain of authority'. In doing that, they de-legitmize not only their predecessors, but themselves as well.

It's milk before meat--not milk, then meat and next vegan. LDS continuing revelation is premised on a god of confusion. Cf. 1 Corinthians 14:33. Yet that is the state of LDS continuing revelation. The LDS have a god of shrinking gaps and confusion. A 19th Century concoction in the 21st Century. As displaced as Lestat.

[_Shulem]

You two have not read your scriptures. You have a primary child's understanding of what the church teachers and hold the church up to that standard.

Much less spend a lifetime deriding somebody's simple faith when you'd be better off hanging with your kids, doing a better job as a father, skiing, camping, doing good deeds or some such. Not turning gay in your middle age and showing your family to the curb. Really now. REALLY now.

Enough posts for the year. Too many, actually. See you in 2018.

I read scriptures too much. It was the reading of too many scriptures that kept me from being a better father and husband. All those countless hours locking myself away reading the scriptures when all along my family could have used my presence and attention. For that, I confess, I'm guilty. The scriptures were a complete waste of time. I should have spent my time as a husband and father doing real things rather than living a fantasy in the scriptures which is nothing but a book of myth and cult teachings.

So, how does that grab you? Not that I want to grab you. I doubt very much you're my type. Besides, you're way too old for me.

I bear you testimony that gay love is beautiful and warm. It is natural as a pure stream of water rolling down the mountain or fresh snow falling from the sky. It's true. It's real. It's beautiful. I know it. Personal knowledge, not faith. Not dogma. Just knowledge and it's wonderful!

[_Shulem]

Not turning gay in your middle age .

I've always been gay. I just suppressed it until middle age when I couldn't take the torture and lies anymore. If only I had done this earlier. If only I had had the courage to do the right thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3DGKfg1MyQ

[_Shulem]

You two have not read your scriptures. You have a primary child's understanding of what the church teachers and hold the church up to that standard.

Primary child education? Oh come now. But isn't that really what church leaders want from their flock, adults having the faith and understanding of little children? Isn't it so that church leaders have asked the members to lay aside the mysteries and the things that question their faith and just put their trust in the Lord and the leaders with whom he has entrusted?

A successful cult depends on its members having the education of a primary child and to not dig too deep and question the system. I can assure you that my understanding of the scriptures is more advanced than that of a primary child. It's for that reason, among others, I was able to apostatize and embrace truth.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You two have not read your scriptures. You have a primary child's understanding of what the church teachers and hold the church up to that standard.

Much less spend a lifetime deriding somebody's simple faith when you'd be better off hanging with your kids, doing a better job as a father, skiing, camping, doing good deeds or some such. Not turning gay in your middle age and showing your family to the curb. Really now. REALLY now.

Enough posts for the year. Too many, actually. See you in 2018.

Well, when your church stops doing this:

I was violently sexually assaulted as a young teen, including getting crushed behind a desk by my attacker resulting in a fractured pelvis and I was forced by my stake president to meet with this predator (also LDS) while they questioned what I was wearing and how had I acted, -seriously, I was in my own home and see above to get a picture of what kind of girl I was - not that I am saying ANY girl asks to be raped!!- plus this chap was preparing for a mission so we needed to make things right between us. I was even forced to hug him..

We'll stop agitating.

- Doc

[_Philo Sofee]

When past prophecies by forerunning LDS 'prophets, seers and revelators' turn out to be obviously false, or even backed away from by the current 'prophets, seers and revelators', they will resort to claiming the about-face is why continuing revelation is such an important aspect that the LDS hierarchy provides. It gives the FP/12 an endless supply of 'get out of jail free' cards while they play the game.

There are numerous problems with that. One is that it basically postulates that continuing revelation of, say, 1949 wasn't then as valuable as it is in 2017. After all, the about-face impeaches in 2017 the validity of the earlier, 1949 revelation. It also impeaches the value of current revelation in 2017, as it leaves one wondering what the different, logically inconsistnt revelation of 2026 will bring. That is, today's continuing revelation might be declared bunk in 2026, so why now in 2017 give a rat's ass what the 2017 continuous revelation is?

By claiming that continuous revelation means that TBMs don't need to worry about past pronouncements by LDS FP/12, and instead just focus on the current, they are cheapening and demeaning the value of their otherwise vaunted 'continuing revelation'.

This is superbly well said! It also demonstrates to me that they don't really have a line to the actual ancient ground and canonical knowledge of reality that Joseph Smith said he had restored. Had he actually have tapped into what the ancients had actually known as their truth, Mormonism could not run slip shod over so much and change directions in their thinking and reassess and then change what they think. There was a fundamental canon of truth the ancients understood, knew, and lived by, and unfortunately for Mormonism, Joseph Smith did not tap into it. The claim of restoration of what was once had now rings rather hollow. It's far more rhetorical than substantial.

[_cwald]

Enough posts for the year. Too many, actually. See you in 2018.

Yeah right. No chance in hell this happens. You'll be back sooner rather than later.

[_SteelHead]

For 130 years the church taught that the priesthood ban was doctrine. Then with an anonymously authored essay they demoted the doctrine to policy. The logical conclusion: why should anyone believe anything they teach as revealed doctrine? It is periodically thrown under the bus. Which pronouncements of today will be discarded tomorrow?

They have done a good job of convincing folk that their emotional response is the holy ghost is spiritual witness. Else why would intelligent folk like bot remain in such a morass? Contradictory doctrines, not a shred of evidence for the Book of Mormon. Book of Abraham obviously false. Pernicious and repulsive teaching like virtue is lost via rape. And yet he persists.

[_Dr Exiled]

For 130 years the church taught that the priesthood ban was doctrine. Then with an anonymously authored essay they demoted the doctrine to policy. The logical conclusion: why should anyone believe anything they teach as revealed doctrine? It is periodically thrown under the bus. Which pronouncements of today will be discarded tomorrow?

They have done a good job of convincing folk that their emotional response is the holy ghost is spiritual witness. Else why would intelligent folk like bot remain in such a morass? Contradictory doctrines, not a shred of evidence for the Book of Mormon. Book of Abraham obviously false. Pernicious and repulsive teaching like virtue is lost via rape. And yet he persists.

It is tough admitting you're wrong. This is why we see fraud victims not wanting to come forward out of embarrassment or actually becomming fraud promoters themselves when cornered.