Interpreter Takes Aim at Givens, Hardy, and Mason

[_zerinus]

And a lack of actual revelation. I just can't help but think that if anytime an actual and real revelation was needed, today is that day, but none comes. The prophets won't prophesy, the apostles won't teach what they say Jesus tells them in person. And with the literally tens of thousands leaving the church (I joined Reddit when the ex-Mormon group had 19,000. Now it has over 50,000 in just over two years) I would wonder why Heavenly Father doesn't make it a priority to do something about it. I mean holy cow, what will it take to get God to talk, let alone actually show up and do something yet?!

If he did, would you believe it? If not, what difference would it make either way? If you don't believe the revelations that the gave to Joseph Smith (and to Brigham Young, and to Joseph F. Smith), why should you believe in revelations given to Thomas S. Monson?

[_I have a question]

And a lack of actual revelation. I just can't help but think that if anytime an actual and real revelation was needed, today is that day, but none comes. The prophets won't prophesy, the apostles won't teach what they say Jesus tells them in person. And with the literally tens of thousands leaving the church (I joined Reddit when the ex-Mormon group had 19,000. Now it has over 50,000 in just over two years) I would wonder why Heavenly Father doesn't make it a priority to do something about it. I mean holy cow, what will it take to get God to talk, let alone actually show up and do something yet?!

If he did, would you believe it? If not, what difference would it make either way? If you don't believe the revelations that the gave to Joseph Smith (and to Brigham Young, and to Joseph F. Smith), why should you believe in revelations given to Thomas S. Monson?

Please give a specific example of a revelation given to Thomas S. Monson.

[_zerinus]

Strange the author doesn't detect a bit of a contradiction going on here.

it reminds me of zerinus saying dead is not absent.

Dead is dead, absent is absent. You don't contuse the two.

[_I have a question]

Strange the author doesn't detect a bit of a contradiction going on here.

it reminds me of zerinus saying dead is not absent.

Dead is dead, absent is absent. You don't contuse the two.

"contuse
kənˈtjuːz/
verbMEDICINE
injure (a part of the body) without breaking the skin, forming a bruise."

Anyway,

Can you be dead AND present simultaneously?

[_zerinus]

Please give a specific example of a revelation given to Thomas S. Monson.

If I did, would you believe it? I don't think that you would. So why should I care?

[_zerinus]

Can you be dead AND present simultaneously?

Absent means not dead. Dead and absent don't mean the same thing.

[_I have a question]

Please give a specific example of a revelation given to Thomas S. Monson.

If I did, would you believe it? I don't think that you would. So why should I care?

Thought not.

[_I have a question]

Can you be dead AND present simultaneously?

Absent means not dead. Dead and absent don't mean the same thing.

So, can you be dead AND present simultaneously?

[_Philo Sofee]

IHAQ to Zerinus

So, can you be dead AND present simultaneously?

For Zerinus yes because he has faith. With faith you can do anything. You can be in Dallas Texas AND Arco Idaho at the exact same time. NO he doesn't have to prove this possible, YOU have to have faith like he does. In a few more years when he moves up in Priesthood correlated power offices in church he is gonna be able to be in Sacramento California, Houston Texas AND Pocatello Idaho all at the same time. See how that works? With MORE faith you get to be in more places all at once. WIth a man of great faith, you literally get to be everywhere like God. Neato keen!

[_Kishkumen]

I am seeing how you arrive at that all right. But to what effect? I mean, so one gets all the revelations, light, etc., then dies before anyone else is chosen and the power is usurped. O.K., so now what? Is God actually this scatter brained?! And the revelator's revelations aren't all that accurate, correct, or inspiring either. So just WTF??? It honest to absolute goodness doesn't make sense to me anymore. What on earth does all this chicancery actually accomplish for God and His plan, presuming the Mormon idea might even be in the ballpark about such a thing? If this is running the show, count me as singularly unimpressed with much of it.

You are interested in questions that are beyond my pay grade, so to speak. I am happy to discuss what might make Mormonism compelling or not as a faith community, but I am not interested in providing you a theodicy or proof of God's existence. My view is that Mormonism is in need of theological realignment in order to weather today's storm. The claim that the current leadership is a simple continuation of Joseph Smith's prophetic role is obviously failing, because it does not bear scrutiny. But Mormonism does not necessarily stand or fall on Brigham Young's conception of LDS authority. That is why I am interested in the current conversations. Whether religion provides us reliable truth or God is or is not behind it all is something I am not really at all interested in exploring in this context. If the lack of evidence for the latter makes it impossible for you to entertain other questions, because they are no longer worthwhile to you, I can respect that.