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Shulem wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:31 pm

Moksha wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:10 am

Let's hope they eventually see it, or they will be missing a load of important information on their Mormonism Live program.

It makes me wonder what other mistakes RFM has made that have gone uncorrected by listeners, apologists, and critics (such as myself). I believe that checks and balances are an important aspect of keeping things in line and accurate. I wonder if RFM feels the same?

As far as I'm concerned, if RFM refuses to correct the error then he's lost credibility or, even worse, trust.

It remains to be seen.

Have a nice day...

Are you making sure to comment this on his videos or just here? I’d think the former would be necessary to bring it to his attention best.

Ego wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am

Are you making sure to comment this on his videos or just here? I’d think the former would be necessary to bring it to his attention best.

I've made the assumption that RFM or Reel have seen my complaint in this thread, more especially RFM because he frequents the board and pays attention. I elected not to comment elsewhere because I like hanging out in the shadows and just don't have much to say anymore. I tend to think my days on this board are numbered as I disappear and become less active in presenting my critical analysis about a number of Mormon subjects.

My best guess is that I'm being ignored if not shunned. I'm okay with that.

Shulem wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:59 am

Ego wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am

Are you making sure to comment this on his videos or just here? I’d think the former would be necessary to bring it to his attention best.

I've made the assumption that RFM or Reel have seen my complaint in this thread, more especially RFM because he frequents the board and pays attention. I elected not to comment elsewhere because I like hanging out in the shadows and just don't have much to say anymore. I tend to think my days on this board are numbered as I disappear and become less active in presenting my critical analysis about a number of Mormon subjects.

My best guess is that I'm being ignored if not shunned. I'm okay with that.

That’s a shame.

Well I’m certainly curious about your work. Specifically I was remembering all I read from Hugh Nibley about what Facsimile 2 is actually about. I wonder if more research has been done on the hypocephalus since his days.

Ego wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am

Are you making sure to comment this on his videos or just here? I’d think the former would be necessary to bring it to his attention best.

I broke down and posted a message at the YouTube video.

Hey, RFM, you've been somewhat haled to appear over at Discuss Mormonism in the "A few questions for Shulem" thread wherein correction is in order. Thanks!

Let's see if anything happens...

Shulem wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:06 pm

Ego wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am

Are you making sure to comment this on his videos or just here? I’d think the former would be necessary to bring it to his attention best.

I broke down and posted a message at the YouTube video.

Hey, RFM, you've been somewhat haled to appear over at Discuss Mormonism in the "A few questions for Shulem" thread wherein correction is in order. Thanks!

Let's see if anything happens...

nice! Best of luck setting the facts straight!

Ego wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:52 am

nice! Best of luck setting the facts straight!

Based on past experience, I don't feel so lucky when it comes to RFM's willingness to catch the wind, jump in, and set the record right. Reverend Henry Caswall simply reported what he learned in Nauvoo and the publication of Facsimile No. 2 in Times and Seasons is proof that he was talking about a different vignette (Nefer-ir-nebu Book of the Dead Judgement Scene) and not the Hypocephalus.

For the record:

Facsimile No. 2, Fig. 5. wrote:Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh....

Facsimile No. 2, Fig. 6. wrote:Represents this earth in its four quarters.

How RFM sees a big dog as the devil in the register is beyond imagination. To his credit, he admitted that he didn't have any idea of who the person was standing behind the Hathor cow and assumed it was a "god." But proper research would have prevented RFM from making terrible assumptions and misrepresenting Smith and Caswall in his Mormonism Live podcast. I'm afraid listeners have been badly misinformed by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. RFM has to fix this or his credibility is on the line.

Robert Ritner via Wikipedia wrote:A cow, representing Hathor, the heavenly cow. Behind is a standing female figure with the Eye of Horus depicted on her head and holding out a water lily in her left hand.

RFM, you have to make good and fix it. Explain to your listeners that you screwed up and made bad ASSumptions. Do the right thing! Then move forward and keep up the good work!

Shulem wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:28 pm

Moksha wrote: ↑

Sun May 18, 2025 1:19 am

Shulem, I think Bill Reel would like to talk with you on the phone. Perhaps those who have him on direct dial, such as Consiglieri and Kerry Shirts, could arrange this call.

Okay, so I'm watching the latest Mormon Discussion podcast The Book of Abraham's Missing Scroll Theory and I can't understand how they can f-up so badly. Ugh. RFM, please understand, the cow is not the dog!

ugh

Look, I have been preaching this sh*t for decades and I'm getting old now.

The "Court of Osiris" On Screen.

Look, I hope that Reel and RFM will correct their presentation and inform their readers that Facsimile No. 2 has nothing to do with the "big dog" and the devil. You guys are making fools of yourselves in making a terrible error which you wouldn't have done if you were more familiar with my scholarship. But, I appreciate your efforts in what you've done in explaining the Book of Abraham. I'm on your side!



PS. I'm retired and living in a forest in a blissful state of Moksha. I'm loving my life this time around!

It's paradise!

Hi Shulem,

I asked two different A.I. models what you’re talking about here, and I’d be very interested in your opinion on whether either of them understand your point:

(See p. 16 of the A.I. megathread.)

Shades has asked that there be no links posted to any contents of the Artificial Intelligence Megathread. His comment is here:
viewtopic.php?p=2895692#p2895692
Thanks! -c-

Analytics wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:08 pm

Hi Shulem,

I asked two different A.I. models what you’re talking about here, and I’d be very interested in your opinion on whether either of them understand your point:

(See p. 16 of the A.I. megathread.)

Shades has asked that there be no links posted to any contents of the Artificial Intelligence Megathread. His comment is here:
viewtopic.php?p=2895692#p2895692
Thanks! -c-

That was very interesting, to say the least. It certainly appears that both A.I.'s working together pretty much spelled out what I expressed and the "Bottom line" is spot on. I'm glad that A.I. was able to learn from me!

Let A.I. kneel before me and learn from the master!



It was also interesting to see how A.I. described my behavior:

1) "he’s calling BS in the most polite forum‑mod way possible"
2) "Shulem is scolding Bill  Reel and Radio  Free  Mormon"

I sincerely hope that I didn't come across too harsh and if so it's only for their good and the betterment of their message/presentation.

PS. I'm confident that A.I. would agree with me that Delmarva was the geographical location for Smith's Book of Mormon. Again, I am the master.

Analytics wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:08 pm

Shulem wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 05, 2025 7:28 pm

Okay, so I'm watching the latest Mormon Discussion podcast The Book of Abraham's Missing Scroll Theory and I can't understand how they can f-up so badly. Ugh. RFM, please understand, the cow is not the dog!

ugh

Look, I have been preaching this sh*t for decades and I'm getting old now.

The "Court of Osiris" On Screen.

Look, I hope that Reel and RFM will correct their presentation and inform their readers that Facsimile No. 2 has nothing to do with the "big dog" and the devil. You guys are making fools of yourselves in making a terrible error which you wouldn't have done if you were more familiar with my scholarship. But, I appreciate your efforts in what you've done in explaining the Book of Abraham. I'm on your side!



PS. I'm retired and living in a forest in a blissful state of Moksha. I'm loving my life this time around!

It's paradise!

Hi Shulem,

I asked two different A.I. models what you’re talking about here, and I’d be very interested in your opinion on whether either of them understand your point:

(See p. 16 of the A.I. megathread.)

Shades has asked that there be no links posted to any contents of the Artificial Intelligence Megathread. His comment is here:
viewtopic.php?p=2895692#p2895692
Thanks! -c-

So, we can link to an A.I. interpretation in regard to the meaning of a conversation on any thread?

No. Shades has stocked up on cattle prods in preparation of keeping folks in line on this rule. : ) -c-

I understood that there couldn't be any linkage at all.

Regards,
MG

Bro what? They thought the cow was a dog? That’s just crazy to me. I wouldn’t think it would take a genius Egyptologist to see what that one was.