Facsimile No. 3 printing plate reveals jackal head Anubis

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Re: Facsimile No. 3 printing plate reveals jackal head Anubi

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Shulem wrote:
Based on what you see in the enlarged woodcut plate, do you sense that there was a jackal nose originally carved and afterward removed? Which way do you tend to lean knowing what you know right now? On a scale of 1-10: 1 being there is no way there was a nose and 10 being there was most certainly a nose.



Given what I know of similar vignettes I give it about an 8-9 that is exactly what was there, but given how few of these there are that could be compared to see, it may not be possible to determine for sure.

Have you read the essay I linked by Lanny Bell? He makes a strong case for inclined figure in Facsimile #1 as having two raised hands. He is not suggesting that this is Abraham defending himself from a knife but suggests it is plausible that the raised hands are simply welcoming his spirit back.

If this were true it would be a unique drawing, which, in and of itself means nothing, but we also could be looking at a really strange way to draw Anubis.
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Substantial work, Shulem. (Consults peepstone) I see a scholarly presentation in your future. :wink:
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Shulem wrote:
Based on what you see in the enlarged woodcut plate, do you sense that there was a jackal nose originally carved and afterward removed? Which way do you tend to lean knowing what you know right now? On a scale of 1-10: 1 being there is no way there was a nose and 10 being there was most certainly a nose.



Given what I know of similar vignettes I give it about an 8-9 that is exactly what was there, but given how few of these there are that could be compared to see, it may not be possible to determine for sure.

Have you read the essay I linked by Lanny Bell? He makes a strong case for inclined figure in Facsimile #1 as having two raised hands. He is not suggesting that this is Abraham defending himself from a knife but suggests it is plausible that the raised hands are simply welcoming his spirit back.

If this were true it would be a unique drawing, which, in and of itself means nothing, but we also could be looking at a really strange way to draw Anubis.


It's my understand fac 1 image is a later resurrection scene. While not the most common, it is not unknown. I'm open to it being another hand, but it does look more like a wing to this biased view.
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Shulem wrote:
deacon blues wrote:Awesome Shulem, just awesome.


Thank you!

Based on what you see in the enlarged woodcut plate, do you sense that there was a jackal nose originally carved and afterward removed? Which way do you tend to lean knowing what you know right now? On a scale of 1-10: 1 being there is no way there was a nose and 10 being there was most certainly a nose.

[ ] 1 (definitely no)
[ ] 2
[ ] 3
[ ] 4
[ ] 5
[ ] 6
[ ] 7
[ ] 8
[ ] 9
[ ] 10 (definitely yes)


I would go 8-9 as well.
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I’d say 8.9 heh, heh
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I'd say 3-4.... :wink:

Come on man! You KNOW you expected that, you KNOW IT! :lol:

Seriously I agree with the 8-9 range also. It's secondary evidence without the original, to be sure, but with all the other images of Anubis in existence, and that single ear man. That single tall ear. That definitely tilts the probability heavily in favor of being Anubis.
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Philo Sofee wrote:Seriously I agree with the 8-9 range also. It's secondary evidence without the original, to be sure, but with all the other images of Anubis in existence, and that single ear man. That single tall ear. That definitely tilts the probability heavily in favor of being Anubis.


Yes, that single tall ear that is so glaringly obvious! That wonderful ear! It reminds me of how happy Santa was when he discovered Rudolph's red nose!

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Let's not forget both figures utilize the empire waist style. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

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Maksutov wrote:Substantial work, Shulem. (Consults peepstone) I see a scholarly presentation in your future. :wink:


Woodcut high definition:
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/facsimile-printing-plates-circa-23-february-16-may-1842/3

Peek at the jackal eye! This eye seems more fitting for an animal head compared to the eyes had by the other characters in the woodcut. See also the Facsimile. I trust this will add to the investigation.

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Huh. If you open it up and zoom in you can really make out an animal's head:

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Also, you note:

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That where there are chisel marks there could've been another ear. If you look at many depictions of Anubis the chisel marks appear to have chipped something out of that spot.

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