Priesthood ban was doctrine

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Priesthood ban was doctrine

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I assume all of us are aware of Lowry Nelson's work in Cuba and his letter to the first presidency in which their response strongly stated the 'doctrine' concerning blacks and the Priesthood.

However, I personally was unaware of another great man that followed him: Stewart Udall. Stewart also wrote the first presidency in 1961 and received the same strongly stated reply, it's doctrine.

I've also stumbled across another great resource where I learned of Stewart Udall. "Thoughts on Things and Stuff". Who is this 'Jonathan Streeter'? Pretty impressive stuff!

Blog on Lowry Nelson
Blog series on Stewart Udall

Unfortunately, the site is super slow for me, be patient on page loading.
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Is there any question that it was doctrine? I realize a few may wish it wasn't but i cannot imagine any even close to authoritative denial it was doctrine. I realize a few people have wondered if it wasnot Gods will but I am unaware of any actual church authority denying that it was God's will.

When I was in the church it was not something which it was possible to question. (Jack Mormons all excepted)
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The use of semantics (doctrine vs. policy) to justify the churches position on the ban is contravened by this evidence. Thanks for posting.
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Thanks for posting the link to the blog on Udall. Interesting stuff.
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LDS.org wrote:During Joseph Smith’s lifetime, a few black male members of the Church were ordained to the priesthood.

First Presidency (George A Smith) wrote:From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.

Well then. That's slightly amusing. Either George A Smith doesn't know church history, or Joseph Smith went against doctrine. Both are great! :lol: Or the third option that George A Smith is right, and the current statement is incorrect.
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huckelberry wrote:Is there any question that it was doctrine?

Unfortunately there is a very disturbing group that declares it was never doctrine... young millinials.
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everything is doctrine said/written/quoted by prophets, seers and revelators

prophets, seers and revelators are exist only in the onlytruechurch

other stupid topics?
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definition of "doctrine" ? wait two thousand years and a francis type of prophet...
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In the LDS Church, "God is the source of doctrine. It is not devised or developed by man".

Since we know that skin color is a function of melanin pigmentation which is a dominant genetic trait and one which only flourishes on a recessive basis at a latitude with decreased sun exposure. We can see that ill-defined and repulsive claims of racism on the part of God are blasphemous.

Therefore, such claims were the policies of Men rather than a doctrine of God.
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moksha wrote:In the LDS Church, "God is the source of doctrine. It is not devised or developed by man".

Since we know that skin color is a function of melanin pigmentation which is a dominant genetic trait and one which only flourishes on a recessive basis at a latitude with decreased sun exposure. We can see that ill-defined and repulsive claims of racism on the part of God are blasphemous.

Therefore, such claims were the policies of Men rather than a doctrine of God.

Amen.
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