Another nail in the Book of Mormon coffin...

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Another nail in the Book of Mormon coffin...

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The New York Times wrote:In the Bones of a Buried Child, Signs of a Massive Human Migration to the Americas

The study strongly supports the idea that the Americas were settled by migrants from Siberia, and experts hailed the genetic evidence as a milestone. “There has never been any ancient Native American DNA like it before,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in the study.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/science/native-americans-beringia-siberia.html?_r=0

Sequenceable DNA from 11,500 years ago. How long before the Church just throws up its hands and admits the Book of Mormon is just not true?
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I guess you can say I'm on one a bit.

If you think some piddly thing like this is going to be the death nail in the Book of Mormon coffin, you sir, are kidding yourself. The little pebble the came from those ancient plates has rolled around the globe growing bigger and bigger nearly large enough to fill the whole earth. Some eerie piece of science ain't putting a stop to it. The beauty of it does not lie in uncovering it's talked about people, but in the transformation that happens to he or she who reads it and gains a personal witness of it's ancient origins. Science always loses and has to change it's stances.
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The fact that we communicate like this is due to science. God has chosen to reveal more through science than through prophets. That’s how I see it, but I could be partly wrong, could you?
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Stem wrote:I guess you can say I'm on one a bit.

If you think some piddly thing like this is going to be the death nail in the Book of Mormon coffin, you sir, are kidding yourself. The little pebble the came from those ancient plates has rolled around the globe growing bigger and bigger nearly large enough to fill the whole earth. Some eerie piece of science ain't putting a stop to it. The beauty of it does not lie in uncovering it's talked about people, but in the transformation that happens to he or she who reads it and gains a personal witness of it's ancient origins. Science always loses and has to change it's stances.


Hi Stem.

It's not a pebble. It's a monumental find. The world of history science is very excited by this. I'm still waiting for any evidence (any at all) that supports the Book of Mormon history (story).

Personal, emotional witness does not work well for finding real history. It's a bit like saying "I know 2 plus 2 equals 5". It doesn't prove anything and is easily disproved. I was just wondering when the faithful (as a group) will tire of pretending.
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At this stage there’s now more nail than coffin.
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I have a question wrote:At this stage there’s now more nail than coffin.

:lol:
It's going to be a heavy coffin. They are gonna need a lot of pallbearers.

Hi IHAQ! Glad to see you are still around.
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Re: Another nail in the Book of Mormon coffin...

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Stem wrote:If you think some piddly thing like this is going to be the death nail in the Book of Mormon coffin, you sir, are kidding yourself.


I would say yes and no. The science proves the Book of Mormon people never existed, but the vast majority of people do not understand DNA science at all. This means while the science proves the non-existence of Book of Mormon peoples, ignorance of the general population means members can easily be convinced the science is wrong. Much like with climate sciences, or other sciences that prove the earth is really old.
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Re: Another nail in the Book of Mormon coffin...

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From the article...

Her ancestors — and those of all Native Americans — started out in Asia and share a distant ancestry with Chinese people. In the new study, the scientists estimate those two lineages split about 36,000 years ago.


Hmmm...that seems to be 30,000 years before God created the first man & woman and placed them on planet Earth, prior to which there was no death...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bible-chron?lang=eng
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I have a question wrote:From the article...

Her ancestors — and those of all Native Americans — started out in Asia and share a distant ancestry with Chinese people. In the new study, the scientists estimate those two lineages split about 36,000 years ago.


Hmmm...that seems to be 30,000 years before God created the first man & woman and placed them on planet Earth, prior to which there was no death...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bible-chron?lang=eng


Pre Adamites? I guess our BC was right all along. :wink:
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Quasimodo wrote:Pre Adamites? I guess our BC was right all along. :wink:


But the admission of Pre-Adamites throws the creation story under the bus. If the garden of Eden and all things within it, were not the first creation on earth <kaboom> end of creation story.

Adam and Eve were chosen to be the first people to live on the earth (see Moses 1:34; 4:26). Their part in our Father’s plan was to bring mortality into the world. They were to be the first parents. (See D&C 107:54–56.)

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