moksha wrote:That said, wasn't the cat out of the bag a few days back when the Deseret News began referring to President Uchtdorf as Elder Uchtdorf?
You may be right about this, moksha.
On the other hand, technically speaking, after the First Presidency is dissolved upon the death of the President, there is only one president left in town, and that would be Nelson as the president of the Q14.
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
Elder Uchtdorf is very popular to many in that he preached that man can't earn their salvation (exaltation/godhood), and that it is by grace. I have a "friend" that hangs onto that, and ignores quote after quote, even from Monson, that man must earn becoming a God by merit and duty in accordance to eternal law.
I have to wonder if this (old school core doctrine) plays a role in the decision? Does Nelson and Oaks feel that DU is too "main stream"? Does he really understand core LDS thought?
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
My guess is that Oaks and Nelson didn't like that Uchtdorf admitted that mistakes were made. It's obvious, the entire church is a mistake, but Oaks claims that the church doesn't apologize and so in his mind doesn't make mistakes. Nelson seems to believe this also. So, poor Uchtdorf gets a demotion and retrenchment is on the way.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Markk wrote:I have to wonder if this (old school core doctrine) plays a role in the decision? Does Nelson and Oaks feel that DU is too "main stream"? Does he really understand core LDS thought?
They did have religious differences. In the press conference where Brady McCombs of the Associated Press asked, "How do you plan to approach LGBT issues?", President Nelson gave a long indirect answer in which he mentioned the considerations of Love vs the Law.
Uchtdorf was more of a love guy (like Jesus) while Nelson and Oaks are more law guys (like the Pharisees). That could have caused friction in the First Presidency. Thankfully Nelson did not put Uchtdorf through the indignity of having the members choose between Uchtdorf and Barnabas at the April General Conference.
Holland: Listen to that howling mob of blockheads at that forum! A trick or two with lepers and the apostates are a roarin'
Quorum: He is dangerous
Ballard: Quick, Oaks, go call the Samoan guard
Oaks: No, wait - we need a more permanent solution to our problem
Holland: What then to do about Uchtdorf of Lufthansa Miracle wonderman, the hero of fools?
Ballard: No riots, no army, no fighting, no slogans
Oaks: One thing I'll say for him: Uchtdorf is cool
Holland: We dare not leave him to his own devices His anti-dodo fans will get out of control
Bednar: But how can we stop him? His glamour increases By leaps every minute; he's top of the poll
Oaks: Fools! You have no perception! The stakes we are gambling are frighteningly low! We must crush him completely So like Hugh B. Brown before him, this Uchtdorf must go For the sake of the Brethren, this Uchtdorf must go
Quorum: Must go, must go This Uchtdorf, this Uchtdorf, This Uchtdorf must go!
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