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Themis wrote: Do you even know why biology says raccoons and whales have a common ancestor and how related they are?

I think it has something to do with green grapes, right?





Or no?

Nightlion wrote:

SteelHead wrote:Video states that everything that begins to exist must have a cause. Begs the question - "Whence came god?"

From out of the Light of Truth which he also IS. We also came from the Light of Truth intelligence cannot be created or made. We are a speck of what he left behind. Therefore he is Love wanting nothing more than to be united with all things that are part of him but in a new creation of a conscious independence for all to abide and abound in the love of it all. He IS the first cause. Actually three of them are, were and will forever be God.

If god can be the uncaused, uncreated eternally existing thing, why can't a cyclic universe be the uncreated, uncaused, eternally existing thing? There are obvious holes in logic when we depend on special cases.

Nightlion wrote:

Stem wrote:Pack in it, folks. Darwinian evolution has just been defeated, and God creating everything out of nothing just came out as the only viable explanation. Debate over, some guy on youtube just made a bunch of statements saying it must be so.

You missed the obvious. Everything right down to DNA has intelligence that is not created. It is organized by a creator. It was always something.

I am confused, a creator who by your argument, didn't create. Which is it? Is god the creator or not?

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SteelHead wrote:

If god can be the uncaused, uncreated eternally existing thing, why can't a cyclic universe be the uncreated, uncaused, eternally existing thing? There are obvious holes in logic when we depend on special cases.

You move the goalpost without reason. God was able to step out of what is NOT created and therefore he caused himself into independent existence. Then he brought out intelligence into independent status and utilized it throughout his creations. We have his word on this.

D&C 93: 29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

Intelligence is where God originated. Okay? Because he was part of the whole he loves because he came out from us. It ought not be purposely made unintelligible by wicked imagination.

SteelHead wrote:
I am confused, a creator who by your argument, didn't create. Which is it? Is god the creator or not?

My previous post ought to have covered this. But let me just say it again. The source of all things is intelligence that cannot be created or made. It just is. Proof enough is that here we are. The creator said intelligence which is the light of truth cannot be created or made. God was able to cause his own independence from the Light of Truth. He continues to bring forth all creation.

God says that he is MORE intelligent that all the rest of all intelligence would mean that the three of them, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost equal the entire sum of all residual intelligence in the entire universe. Wallah there you have God.

Abraham 3: 18-19
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.

That we "are", is not proof that intelligence is eternal, sorry it does not follow. That you assert something does not make it so.

No one is moving any goalpost. Your argument relies on a special exception. If God can be an exception, so can anything else. Your argument is flawed, it relies on an exception to the premise. So far you have presented 0 evidence to support your arguments.

Keep trying.

It is not enough to state that intelligence is eternal, and un created. You need to demonstrate that it can existing outside of a host, and can exist independent of spcacetime. Quoting scripture holds no weight, as you can not demonstrate that your scripture is anything but a man pretending to speak for God.