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_deacon blues
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Empathy enhances discussion

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The LDS culture has a well established tradition of dealing with outside criticism, persecution, etc. An important part of this is the story from Lehi's/Joseph Smith, Sr's dream, and its image of the opposition: the great and spacious building inhabited by mocking people. I recently had a discussion with my TBM sister about the merits of Mormonism, and despite my intent to listen more than talk, I would roll my eyes, and make other similar facial expressions that probably betrayed my disapproval of some of her comments. The conversation was civil and helpful (other siblings would have lost their cool at the mention of my criticisms) but I could see her reaction to my facial expressions, and wished I hadn't made them. I don't know if anything I said made an impression, but she expressed some empathy for my view that we needed to understand the feminine side of the Divine nature, namely Heavenly Mother.
I admire my sister for the way she bears the burdens life has given her. She was respectful and showed empathy. I was heartened by her response, and feel my response was generally good, except for facial expressions that could have been interpreted is mocking or disrespectful.

I feel those those who post here generally have a nuanced view of Mormonism, but sometimes their insights are obscured by their insults.

In other words: people forget what you say, because how you say it pisses them off, or makes them feel like crap.

May our exchanges be more empathetic and productive is my wish, in the name of Truth and Love. Amen. :smile:
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All right..... I will throw my hat into the arena and say I will attempt more to do so, and be more like this. It will be fun. Because I have an enormous lot to say and analyze.
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I agree with you, Deacon Blues. I think that we can agree to disagree on a lot of this stuff and still get along.
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:I agree with you, Deacon Blues. I think that we can agree to disagree on a lot of this stuff and still get along.


Thanks. Both you guys have both broadened my horizons. I don't agree with some things you may say, but neither of you have ever pissed me off, or made me feel dumb. In fact the only person on this site that ever made me feel dumb was that guy with the the panda for a logo, and it was really my own fault I got pissed off.
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TBMs deserver zero respect.

With their own history, Mormonism is demonstrably false.

Its really no different than listening to you sister going on and on about how Santa Claus is real and does single handedly deliver billions of gifts around the world in 24 hours.
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Hey deacon blues! :smile:

Without question, empathy enhances discussion.

Just as important in my opinion, empathy can be the catalyst (and often is the catalyst) for pathways to open. . . allowing the potential for human beings to bond with one another, support one another, relate to one another, comfort one another and gain valuable perspectives from one another.

Peace,
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Hey PP! :smile:

Polygamy-Porter wrote:TBMs deserver zero respect.

None of them? Zero?

for what it's worth - I offer my respect to individual people - on a case by case basis - having almost nothing to do with what building they happen to enter (or not enter) on any given Sunday.

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:TBMs deserver zero respect.

With their own history, Mormonism is demonstrably false.

Its really no different than listening to you sister going on and on about how Santa Claus is real and does single handedly deliver billions of gifts around the world in 24 hours.

That may be true, but as a matter of practical persuaian strategy this approach won't get you very far. In some situations, ridicule is appropriate though, time and place.
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:I agree with you, Deacon Blues. I think that we can agree to disagree on a lot of this stuff and still get along.

Count me in.

The Crusades created more problems than they solved. People died, for one thing.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Jesse Pinkman wrote:I agree with you, Deacon Blues. I think that we can agree to disagree on a lot of this stuff and still get along.

Count me in.

The Crusades created more problems than they solved. People died, for one thing.

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