The Problem is the Patriarchy

[_Dr. Shades]

But if enough of these progressives abandoned their false dreams and complicity with evil to step out and do their own thing, . . .

What does "doing their own thing" whilst simultaneously avoiding excommunication look like?

[_cwald]

But if enough of these progressives abandoned their false dreams and complicity with evil to step out and do their own thing, . . .

What does "doing their own thing" whilst simultaneously avoiding excommunication look like?

Right. My question exactly.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Cwald, were you particularly vocal when you were called into Church court? It didn’t really seem like you were. What were they specifically upset with you for?

[_cwald]

Cwald, were you particularly vocal when you were called into Church court? It didn’t really seem like you were. What were they specifically upset with you for?

Thank you for asking.

I got ran out of the LDS church after General Conference Fall 2010, when the 14 Fundamentals of the Prophet and Oaks Two lines of Priesthood got delivered on the same day.

I was an Elders Quorum president, Sunday school president and scout master at the time and pretty well rejected these teachings point blank and was quite open about it. These talks represent the very worst that religion has to offer and I was very open about it.

This accumulated into discussions about Prop 8 which I had publicly opposed and it was used against me to the point where I was actually accused of being a homosexual. No s*** that's a fact.

The church used Facebook and emails to my family which were made available to Holland by my Stake President brother when he stayed up in Cache Valley at his house about my associations with John Dehlins and the MS Portland group and stayLDS website as evidence that I belong to an apostate groups. That is correct, stay lds.com was used as evidence of my apostasy.

My stake president brother was directed by Elder Holland to contact my stake president and I was released from all my callings and Temple recommend revoked on the spot because of my associations with John Dehlin.

[_Kishkumen]

What does "doing their own thing" whilst simultaneously avoiding excommunication look like?

Excommunication is among the consequences I alluded to. I would not even think to mention it because it is so obvious.

[_Kishkumen]

Is there a link to the original post from from Gina Colvin?

Unfortunately, no.

Here is the bit I am reacting to:

The only hope is found in a mass, collective lament where we cry and mourn the loss of Mormonism's possibilities infected as it has been by the stench of patriarchy. I feel deeply that whatever grief and anger we are feeling in response is holy and God-given. Anyone who tells us that we aren't entitled to our lament and that we are sinning in our grief is not speaking with a heart full of God.

[_cwald]

If the LDS church accepts and teaches the "The 14 Fundamentals of Following the Prophet" as reread in GC Oct 2010, and printed in the the Ensign, than it's all a mute point. Game over. There is no defense to this cult teaching. It represents the worst of the worst religion has to offer.

[_Dr. Shades]

Excommunication is among the consequences I alluded to. I would not even think to mention it because it is so obvious.

In that case, those who believe it's the true church fear excommunication and won't heed your call to arms, while those who believe it's NOT the true church don't care enough about it to heed your call to arms.

[_Kishkumen]

In that case, those who believe it's the true church fear excommunication and won't heed your call to arms, while those who believe it's NOT the true church don't care enough about it to heed your call to arms.

Excommunication did not stop the Snufferites!

[_Kishkumen]

If the LDS church accepts and teaches the "The 14 Fundamentals of Following the Prophet" as reread in GC Oct 2010, and printed in the the Ensign, than it's all a mute point. Game over. There is no defense to this cult teaching. It represents the worst of the worst religion has to offer.

Indeed!