Laugh it up. You know very well, a guy has a right to change his mind and I've decided not to represent your views about your independence or dependence on your imaginary Jesus. Therefore, we will allow it to remain a mystery.
Nobody cares what you think of imaginary Jesus.
Nobody cares what you think of Jesus either, yet you keep posting. Even resorting to responding to yourself. There's a word for that.
Thy mind, O man! if thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity—thou must commune with God. - Joseph Smith
Shulem wrote: Jesus never ever did anything to defend gays.
You're absolutely right, Shulem. Dirty Jesus didn't do a damn thing for gay people. He lumped them into Jehovah's pile of condemnation whereby the gays deserve judgment -- or worse, death. Then there was St. Paul, the bastard apostle of Christianity (apostate Judaism) who hated gays just as much as Moses did:
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. . . . that those who do such things deserve death" (Romans 1 NIV)
Screw you, St. Paul and screw you too, Jesus -- you bastards.
He's talking about PAGAN worship there. How many times do I need to tell you that?
Research Pagan temple prostitution.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
You need a teacher. Let me help you for pete sakes. Let's go with Romans 1 in the KJV.
Watch what I am bolding for you. READ it. THINK about what you are reading. I'm just going to bold so you can't miss what I am telling you. These are god believers who turned to Paganism. Call them apostates if you will.
WATCH for the indications that Paul is talking about Pagan temple worship. Don't read this and zone out. WATCH what this is telling you.
It is telling you that these were once believers who adopted Paganism. This is about Pagan temple rituals.
This is NOT about same sex equal relationships. It's about exploitation. It's about turning away from a living God and turning to idolatry.
THAT'S what the whole piece is about, NOT homosexuality as a whole.
Romans 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; 10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; 12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. 13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. 14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. 15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
JLHPROF wrote:Nobody cares what you think of Jesus either, yet you keep posting. Even resorting to responding to yourself. There's a word for that.
Well, you seem to have an interest because you keep popping in and have engaged my conversation, somewhat. You staunchly said that I was "one of the best missionaries for Christianity" you've ever seen, whatever that means. I would say you've shown a definite interest in what I think of Jesus based on your responses. But you can deny that if you want to.
What is the "word" for someone responding to themself? What's wrong with talking to oneself? It seems like a perfectly natural thing to do. You talk to yourself when you pray, do you not?
READ this. If you manage to wrap your head around it, you can make a case to any believer that their interpretation of scripture regarding homosexuality is in ERROR.
This is why I recommened that you research Baalism.
This is what Paul is admonishing HIS OWN COMMUNITY about.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote: He's talking about PAGAN worship there. How many times do I need to tell you that?
Research Pagan temple prostitution.
He's lumping the pagans and the homosexuals into one big pile. But here we have Jersey Girl, self proclaimed biblical scholar attempting to make scripture conform to her wishes. The Catholic church and Protestant biblical scholars have said much about these verses and I don't think you care to join them -- in other words, they know a lot more than you.
Jersey Girl wrote: He's talking about PAGAN worship there. How many times do I need to tell you that?
Research Pagan temple prostitution.
He's lumping the pagans and the homosexuals into one big pile. But here we have Jersey Girl, self proclaimed biblical scholar attempting to make scripture conform to her wishes. The Catholic church and Protestant biblical scholars have said much about these verses and I don't think you care to join them -- in other words, they know a lot more than you.
NO he is not. I can READ.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:Read the books and topics I gave you previously.
There are NO same sex equal relationships represented in either the Old Testament or New Testament. Not one.
Give me an official statement from the Catholic church about what Romans 1 means when it comes to God's condemnation of homosexual practice. The Catholic church has over a billion followers so they should have a pretty good idea what the Bible is really saying.
