Is the Church beginning to accept Gays and BiSexuals?

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Is the Church beginning to accept Gays and BiSexuals?

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The reason I ask is that I came across this Facebook post that seams to indicate that maybe they are:

https://www.Facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2028178217402621&set=a.1385570068330109.1073741828.100006313872614&type=3
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I don't really know (do any of us??) how from day to day church is accepting...but I loved those beautiful faces on the Facebook page...what is there not to love?
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Simple answer is that it breaks the temple, so no.
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mocnarf wrote:The reason I ask is that I came across this Facebook post that seams to indicate that maybe they are:

There is some progress. At least Mormons are realizing that sexual orientation is not a choice. But believing Mormons are never going to tolerate gay sex
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1. The church has never "not" accepted gays and bisexuals.
Just like they've never not accepted any other sin, weakness and perversion which is their cross to bear.

They like all others, however, are to be as Eunichs, not to act on their sins.

2. Actually, sexual orientation is a choice, and it occurs from birth.
You choose your thoughts, nourish norish, what you feel by stimulation.

It's no accident that far more gay, trans, etc. come out of single-parent households, out of Leftism, out of non-religious homes etc. It's not simply that such people otherwise are "repressing" their sexuality, it's also that they trained themselves to not embrace such sexuality, to embrace heterosexuality.

Another nail in the above claim is the shear # of people who become gay LATER, and who also go back and forth. People who actually study this subject know very well that being "born that way" is only a very small influence on whether someone becomes gay.
Yes, is it likely some perfect combination of biological factors can make someone "susceptible" to being gay, absolutely, but it is FAR more about thought, environment, experiences, etc. than biology.

There is another fact that's ignored. The vast majority were either molested or experimented while young. Many will claim they weren't, but the fact is they don't remember everything that happened to them while young. Sexual stimulation has a profound effect on the brain and sensory development, thus you can become gay and not realize you were "trained" to be that way while very young.

These are ALL facts of science and professional study's which entirely debunk the claim of "born that way". Anyone can claim this, while the Left doesn't like the comparison, it's sexual attraction, so it's 100% valid. Pedophiles will tell you the exact same thing. They were born that way.

And lets be clear, it's ONLY Leftists who promote all sexual and otherwise mental/moral perversions be it homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia (Salon as just one example), animal sex, (Rachel Dolezal, race is a social construct), in fact, the irony about this is it indirectly demonstrates my point. Sexuality can also be a social construct, except for heterosexuality, because heterosexuality has ACTUAL known biological components driving human survival and procreation.
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ldsfaqs wrote:1. The church has never "not" accepted gays and bisexuals.
Just like they've never not accepted any other sin, weakness and perversion which is their cross to bear.

They like all others, however, are to be as Eunichs, not to act on their sins.

2. Actually, sexual orientation is a choice, and it occurs from birth.
You choose your thoughts, nourish norish, what you feel by stimulation.

It's no accident that far more gay, trans, etc. come out of single-parent households, out of Leftism, out of non-religious homes etc. It's not simply that such people otherwise are "repressing" their sexuality, it's also that they trained themselves to not embrace such sexuality, to embrace heterosexuality.

Another nail in the above claim is the shear # of people who become gay LATER, and who also go back and forth. People who actually study this subject know very well that being "born that way" is only a very small influence on whether someone becomes gay.
Yes, is it likely some perfect combination of biological factors can make someone "susceptible" to being gay, absolutely, but it is FAR more about thought, environment, experiences, etc. than biology.

There is another fact that's ignored. The vast majority were either molested or experimented while young. Many will claim they weren't, but the fact is they don't remember everything that happened to them while young. Sexual stimulation has a profound effect on the brain and sensory development, thus you can become gay and not realize you were "trained" to be that way while very young.

These are ALL facts of science and professional study's which entirely debunk the claim of "born that way". Anyone can claim this, while the Left doesn't like the comparison, it's sexual attraction, so it's 100% valid. Pedophiles will tell you the exact same thing. They were born that way.

And lets be clear, it's ONLY Leftists who promote all sexual and otherwise mental/moral perversions be it homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia (Salon as just one example), animal sex, (Rachel Dolezal, race is a social construct), in fact, the irony about this is it indirectly demonstrates my point. Sexuality can also be a social construct, except for heterosexuality, because heterosexuality has ACTUAL known biological components driving human survival and procreation.


ldsfaqs,

Have you ever had consensual gay sex?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

If yes, Did you enjoy it?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

If No, why not?

PS. Gay love rocks, baby. Ain't nothing better than two men loving each other. Sweet.
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No...they will walk in and around and through the issue...and it will be okay to say...no. :confused:
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But I think my favorite hug of the day was an old man, roughly in his eighties, who was working as a conference usher. He slowly walked over towards us with an official badge on his jacket— I assumed he was going to ask us to leave. Instead, he said, “I love you. I don’t know how this is all going to work out, but I love you. Keep doing what you’re doing.”
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moksha wrote:
But I think my favorite hug of the day was an old man, roughly in his eighties, who was working as a conference usher. He slowly walked over towards us with an official badge on his jacket— I assumed he was going to ask us to leave. Instead, he said, “I love you. I don’t know how this is all going to work out, but I love you. Keep doing what you’re doing.”
OMG.. this is so cool..and for heaven's sakes..REAL!!
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The members are, the institution and senior leadership isn’t.
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