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Just got some additional information on those police reports.

Not from the police, but from a different source.

I now know some of the information in some of the redactions. There are parts still redacted that I have not been able to gain access to.

PAGE 6--In the two lines immediately after Joseph Bishop tells the police "the room did not have a bed, TV or VHS tapes," the redacted portion reads: "He said he also gave a backrub to ____ _____ where he rubbed her buttocks. ____ _____ was living in his house at the time." The following two lines remain redacted.

Note this is the sister missionary who tried to kill herself at the MTC. After that, Joseph Bishop took her into his home to help her recuperate. I know the name of this girl, but am not disclosing it.

PAGE 7--The first redacted line at the end of the first paragraph, right after, "He (Bishop) said he didn't remember when ___ confronted him about the rape," states: "A copy of the recording is attached to this report. Refer to the recording for more details."


It appears the police did not want the public to know there was a separate audio recording of their interview with Joseph Bishop that contained "more details."

PAGE 9--The three lines redacted here read: "McKenna Denson sent me a rough draft of her statement through email. However, the case was closed before she was able to send me a completed version." I think the last line of this paragraph is still redacted.

It appears the police didn't want the public to know about McKenna sending in a rough draft of her statement.

If anybody has any additional thoughts on why BYU Police wouldn't want these aspects released to the public, I am all ears.

By the way, I have now obtained a copy of the rough draft letter sent by McKenna to the BYU Police Department and which forms part of their investigative file. (Let's just say I have a mole in the BYU Police Department.)

At the top of page four of this letter is an interesting detail related by McKenna, and which I have little doubt serves as at least part of the basis for the BYU Police not wanting the public to know about this letter.

You will recall McKenna was sent on her mission to Washington D.C. where she suffered a mental breakdown.

After that, she was sent back to Utah for rehabilitation and to see if she could still go out and complete her mission.

McKenna saw a mental health counselor and then a church authority before being approved to return on her mission, only this time to Wisconsin.

The church authority McKenna saw was not just her bishop or stake president, as it would have been if you or I were in the same situation.

It was Thomas S. Monson.

Here is the line from her rough draft that the BYU Police doesn't want the public to know they have.

"I had to meet with Elder Thomas S. Monson before I could be released back into the mission field."

And no.

I am not making this up.

My son is in the military. His job is basically to oversee a large group of kids going through some intensive language training. Being the military, there is a lot of rules. Being kids there are a lot of rule breakers. His job is to deal with the rule breakers. Time after time, when he brings these kids in for some minor infraction, they lie to him about what happened. He has got pretty good at spotting when they are lying. He tries to convince the kids that the penalty for what ever they did is much less than the penalty for lying, which is true but time after time they maintain the lie until it is obvious even to them that everyone knows they are lying.

It isn't the crime that is a problem here, it is the cover up and how far it extends.

Thomas S. Monson...well there you go..Consig..you're just making this up.
What a mess.

Surely the remaining Page 6 redaction is follow up information on that sister missionary? I would imagine it to say something about whether or not they have contacted her separately or have statements on file from her.

The Thomas S. Monson thing is huge. If it turns out that it can be implied that he knew - and did nothing - this is Catholic Church level cover-up.

consiglieri wrote:"I had to meet with Elder Thomas S. Monson before I could be released back into the mission field."

She probably had to show Tommy her breasts and sing a little song too just to make him smile. I can easily believe that. Mormon prophets are creepy and full of deception.

consiglieri wrote:By the way, I have now obtained a copy of the rough draft letter sent by McKenna to the BYU Police Department and which forms part of their investigative file. (Let's just say I have a mole in the BYU Police Department.)

At the top of page four of this letter is an interesting detail related by McKenna, and which I have little doubt serves as at least part of the basis for the BYU Police not wanting the public to know about this letter.

You will recall McKenna was sent on her mission to Washington D.C. where she suffered a mental breakdown.

After that, she was sent back to Utah for rehabilitation and to see if she could still go out and complete her mission.

McKenna saw a mental health counselor and then a church authority before being approved to return on her mission, only this time to Wisconsin.

The church authority McKenna saw was not just her bishop or stake president, as it would have been if you or I were in the same situation.

It was Thomas S. Monson.

Here is the line from her rough draft that the BYU Police doesn't want the public to know they have.

"I had to meet with Elder Thomas S. Monson before I could be released back into the mission field."

And no.

I am not making this up.

Any idea why she had to meet with a GA prior to her going back out on her mission? Was that standard procedure back then, do you know?

Also, someone post this over on the MD&D board!! I don't post there or I would do it. I would just love to see smac go crazy trying to defend this piece of information!

Madison54 wrote:Any idea why she had to meet with a GA prior to her going back out on her mission? Was that standard procedure back then, do you know?

My understanding was that if you had a baby and gave it up for adoption (male or female) you need super-special permission to go on a mission.

consiglieri wrote:Just got some additional information on those police reports.

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I am not making this up.

I'm not doubting you at all, but I am curious. What source? How does someone have access to these redacted portions if the police were unwilling to put it out there? Does anyone besides the police have the recording?

Since McKenna did not mention Elder Monson in all of this, otherwise, can we assume she did not divulge to him that she was raped in the MTC? You would think if she told him she would have mentioned that in the previous recordings and interviews.

consiglieri wrote:Just got some additional information on those police reports.

Not from the police, but from a different source.

The church authority McKenna saw was not just her bishop or stake president, as it would have been if you or I were in the same situation.

It was Thomas S. Monson.

Here is the line from her rough draft that the BYU Police doesn't want the public to know they have.

"I had to meet with Elder Thomas S. Monson before I could be released back into the mission field."

And no.

I am not making this up.

I may be overstepping and connecting dots that aren't there...BUT...IF Miss Denson informed Monson of her Rape at the MTC as part of her interview and he sat on this information and failed to pursue an investigation into the allegations, does that make Monson an accessory after the fact? Or does that only apply in murder situations? "IF" he was informed and failed to do anything, it at least makes him complicit in a cover up.

That said, I just can't believe that Monson, IF informed, would then turn around and send this girl back out on her mission...so my guess is that he was not aware of the allegations...