I have a question wrote:That he hasn’t already been excommunicated tells you: A. Church discipline is not a local matter. B. Money trumps morality.
He can't be excommunicated until he is judged guilty in a church court. Court procedures are subject to the time restraints of those overseeing the process. Indeed, it's a process not an event.
Grudunza wrote:According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.
Analytics wrote:My hypothesis is that the reason he hasn't been excommunicated already is because he's had his second anointing.
I would assume that George Lee and Richard R Lyman had their second anointing. Both still were excommunicated.
I do not think giving someone the second anointing would stop the church from excommunicating them, especially a high level someone in the church, especially in a high profile case.
I know that does not make any sense given what the second anointing is, but the church is concerned more about public opinion than consistency. And they can make up or change any rules they want given they claim to talk to God.
Good point. The last I heard Tom Phillips was never excommunicated, and I assumed it was because of his 2nd anointing, which made me think there was a rule about that. But the Lee and Lyman cases are great counterexamples.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Fence Sitter wrote:Oh and Hamula also was exed. He was a Seventy.
And we still don’t know why...
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
Grudunza wrote:According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.
Just read this too over on MD&D (that he was allowed to just resign). How convenient
And yet, they'll ex any gay member who enters into a SSM.
Grudunza wrote:According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.
Just read this too over on MD&D (that he was allowed to just resign). How convenient
And yet, they'll ex any gay member who enters into a SSM.
It is my understanding that according to the handbook he should still be excommunicated. We will see if that happens, but I still predict it will not happen until after any legal actions are finished, or nearly so.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Fence Sitter wrote:It is my understanding that according to the handbook he should still be excommunicated. We will see if that happens, but I still predict it will not happen until after any legal actions are finished, or nearly so.
Absolutely not. If he resigns they can't excommunicate him.
