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Polygamy-Porter wrote:The more I read replies from Niadna, the more I think he is a troll.

He's a she.

and your opinion of my posts is, well, certainly your opinion.

Polygamy-Porter wrote:The more I read replies from Niadna, the more I think he is a troll.

The more I read reflexive allegations of troll, the more it looks like the equivalent of labeling a critic as an anti-Mormon.

Niadna wrote:. . . and of course I'm really 22, a redhead with brilliant green eyes and a figure to die for, ...(though I USED to be a redhead, a very long time ago...)

General Zelph, is that you?

Niadna wrote:My daughter, 12 at the time, was physically shoved out of a "Christian" bookstore by the clerk who yelled "Mormons aren't Christians and have no business in here!"

How did they know your twelve-year-old daughter was a Mormon? (Was it just the healthy glow of her skin?)

Niadna wrote:Craig, I'm REALLY sorry to break this to you, but persecution complex generally requires that NOBODY BE AFTER YOU.

If they are really after you, it's not a 'persecution complex,' it's just 'persecution."

Now me, I've had rocks thrown at me, dogs sicced on me...there's a town in Alabama that you couldn't PAY me enough to visit because if I do, I'll be handcuffed, the dogs will be set out and I'll get thrown to the alligators.

..........well, the woman doing the threatening keeps apologizing to me for 'teasing" about the alligators, so maybe I'm safe there....

Some evangelical so and so put "The deceased is in hell and you will soon follow if you don't leave the devil Mormon church!" pamphlets under the windshields of everybody who attended my husband's funeral.

(OK, THAT was funny....but the guy putting them there wasn't joking)

Lessee....I have been refused a job because I'm a Mormon.
My daughter, 12 at the time, was physically shoved out of a "Christian" bookstore by the clerk who yelled "Mormons aren't Christians and have no business in here!"

I have been called names that would get a LIBERAL fired if s/he used them on anybody, because I"m a Mormon. I have been refused service in a store because I am a Mormon.

I have been told that I have no right to walk down a street where I know that people who might not like Mormons are, and if I do and get attacked, it's my fault.

I'm not going to rehash any history here; this is just stuff that happened to ME. Does any of that rise to the level of the persecution experienced by Jews, or the Christians in the Middle East, or the early Mormons, even?

No.

But it sure doesn't make it irrational to figure that persecution happens.

Kinda makes you understand better how some non LDS feel about being prohibited from watching their LDS children get married in the LDS temple. Or how the children of married gay people who wish to convert feel.

Fence Sitter wrote:

Niadna wrote:Craig, I'm REALLY sorry to break this to you, but persecution complex generally requires that NOBODY BE AFTER YOU.

[SNIP!]

But it sure doesn't make it irrational to figure that persecution happens.

Kinda makes you understand better how some non LDS feel about being prohibited from watching their LDS children get married in the LDS temple. Or how the children of married gay people who wish to convert feel.

No it doesn't. My mother in law didn't see me marry my husband (she was a Baptist) and she was fine with it. She understood religious stuff just fine. We saw to it that she was actively involved in everything else. If you think that not being able to see your kid get married is persecution to the level of having rocks thrown at you, you have a bigger problem than can be addressed here.

As to children of gay parents...if you don't understand why THAT policy was put in place, I don't think I can explain it here, either. Suffice it to say that it wasn't discrimination against either the kids or the parents.

Niadna wrote:As to children of gay parents...if you don't understand why THAT policy was put in place, I don't think I can explain it here, either. Suffice it to say that it wasn't discrimination against either the kids or the parents.

Mormons have a long standing history of persecuting gays. The church is on record for doing just that. Also, it has been openly admitted at the highest levels of Mormon authority that homosexuality is criminal in nature.

Mormons disgust me. They are liars.

Niadna wrote:

Fence Sitter wrote:Kinda makes you understand better how some non LDS feel about being prohibited from watching their LDS children get married in the LDS temple. Or how the children of married gay people who wish to convert feel.

No it doesn't. My mother in law didn't see me marry my husband (she was a Baptist) and she was fine with it. She understood religious stuff just fine. We saw to it that she was actively involved in everything else.

The other day I visited a Christian Bookstore that was part of a Bible exhibit museum sponsored by Hobby Lobby. I also received a guided tour through the museum by one of their docent who was fully aware that I was a Mormon. He was gracious, answered all my questions and made me feel welcome. So I guess then persecution like you describe about your daughter does not happen?

My point is that regardless of what happened to your daughter or your MIL or me, people are treated badly sometimes due to their religious beliefs. So your story of your mother in law being understanding in no way dismisses those who do feel that their exclusion from their LDS children's wedding is much worse than your daughter getting thrown out of a bookstore

Niadna wrote:If you think that not being able to see your kid get married is persecution to the level of having rocks thrown at you, you have a bigger problem than can be addressed here.

You know you have used this phrase "you have a bigger problem than can be addressed here" before as if it has some deeper meaning that is obvious to everyone else. Additionally you have talked elsewhere about how personal attacks define a poster. It might help if you were take your own advice and just address the topic at hand rather than implying some vague undefined fallibility on my part that somehow proves your point. And by the way, I have had rocks thrown at me while on my South American mission and I would much prefer that slight indignity to being excluded from seeing my own child get married. Can you honestly say you would decline to see your daughter's marriage if it meant someone might throw a rock at you? I don't know about you but my kids are more important to me than that.

Niadna wrote:As to children of gay parents...if you don't understand why THAT policy was put in place, I don't think I can explain it here, either. Suffice it to say that it wasn't discrimination against either the kids or the parents.

So there is some sort information out there I should know that is just to difficult for you to explain? Not much of an answer really. The fact is I do understand why that policy was put in place. And, by the way, according to the current prophet it is a revelation not a policy, but that is a whole other topic. Regardless of the reasoning behind why it was put in place it is still discriminatory against the children of gay married people. There is no way around it. I am sure the store owners who threw out your daughter had a good reasons for their policy. Maybe they were afraid of what kind of conflict you daughter would face in her home if she discovered "true Christianity". They were probably just concerned for her welfare.

Shulem wrote:Mormons have a long standing history of persecuting gays. The church is on record for doing just that. Also, it has been openly admitted at the highest levels of Mormon authority that homosexuality is criminal in nature.

It remarkable how short a memory we have as LDS regarding the persecution we faced at the end of the 19th century over our own marriage practices. And yet here we are using the same type of arguments, methods and defenses to defend our current view of marriage that was used against us back then.

Mike Norton kicks Mormon temple ass. Step aside Elohim, Jehovah, and Michael.

The Mormon three stooges have met their match.