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Markk wrote:I know Mike Norton's brother from another forum, and he mentioned that Mike was Arrested. So I went to Mike's website and found this...I have now idea if he was charged with anything?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXOtfdii-ik

His arraignment was supposed to be Monday... I tried to reach him but he has changed his phone numbers. I noticed yesterday that his Facebook profile has been shut down as well.

Tuna_Surprise wrote:

Markk wrote:What was he charged with.

He was charged with trespassing. The church claims they had sent him notice of a no trespassing order before and he claims he hadn't got it. He retells the whole story on Mormon Happy Hour podcast

Yes, he destroyed any chance of defense regarding his claims of not getting, because he admitted on MHH that he was served and in fact he went to the office of the attorney firm that served notice.. He complains that they wouldn't talk to him a the attorney firm, but they aren't required too.. So in essence has admitted that he was served notice , that he knew he was trespassing, and he has been open and notorious of in his admission of trespassing with all the videos he has been publishing and taking credit for.. So I ask family members last night, nobody knows the outcome of the arraignment at this point. He's gone radios silent even with family.

Why I think is incredibly stupid on my brothers part is how he open and notoriously brags about his abilities to lie, deceive, fake documents, assume false identities etc. and then how he is going to expect any Judge to believe his side of the story. I think this story is going to end a lot like Al Capone.. Where he got busted for something not directly related his crimes. I think this little trespassing citation will mushroom into a bigger charge involving all the other trespasses and fraud he has been engaged in. It's sad.. I tried to talk him into a different course in life, but he has this emotional issue from his messy childhood that seems to be in control.

Oceancoast,

Thanks for posting. What do you think are the pathological reasons Mike craves attention? I knew him from the old exmo-social board and met him when I travelled to SLC for business. He was similar back in '05, but less focused (I believe he was behind the josephlied website, no?). It seems he found his groove with the temple ceremony, though.

- Doc

I imagine one of the Church's contracted law firms has compiled a thick dossier on Mike. Let's hope he never conducted any adoption business with LDS Family Services or confessed anything to past bishops.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oceanmkst,

Thanks for posting. What do you think are the pathological reasons Mike craves attention? I knew him from the old exmo-social board and met him when I travelled to Salt Lake City for business. He was similar back in '05, but less focused (I believe he was behind the josephlied website, no?). It seems he found his groove with the temple ceremony, though.

- Doc

well this has been a topic of many conversations in the family. Personally, In my opinion I find that it stems from ( as with many ex-Mo anti-Mo) a failed expectation that has formed deep emotional resentment. His Childhood isn't all the nice neat normal childhood he paints it to be in his interviews. It was anything but. From when he was about 4 years old we lived in Visalia, CA When he was 10, our father was caught in an adulterous affair with the neighbors wife. Our parents split rather suddenly.. (I was on a mission in Scotland at the time so not personally witnessing this turmoil) His Mother quick fire-sale sold the home and furnishings and took Mike and his other brothers to Denver, where she had family. Needless to say, this was a huge change for Mike.. All the friends he ever knew were left behind 1000 miles away.. His father moved to New York to be with the woman he was having the affair with. During the course of this our fathers business went south as well.. exposing some irregularities in the way he was running his business, which resulted in him being arrested and sent to prison for a year.

So as you might imagine.. Mikes NORMAL Childhood suddenly came to an abrupt halt when he was just 10-11 years old. In Colo, he didn't have friends and one of his brothers (second youngest in the family) became dangerously violent... and had to sent away. Mike's family was becoming more and more a train wreck..

In Colo, he began to cruise in first years in junior/High School with the wrong crowd.. and it was arranged that he would go live with another brother in Logan , who had just returned home from a Mission, and he would finish his High School in Logan. It would be here he would meet his future wife.. daughter of the Stake President, their relationship became a bit physical, but he straightened up and went on a mission, came back and married her. And all seemed to be on a good trajectory . His father in law funded a bail bonds business that he worked and was doing well, but then I believe he took a turn for the worst.. some not living the church standards so to speak.. and he lost his licence to practice his bail bonds.. he was arrested for assault and working without a license. He and his wife divorced.. and he seems to have been following his father footsteps and has been on a down hill sled since then.

It's my belief that he carries some leftover anger for how his dad failed the family.. he blames everything his dad including his dad's religion for the failures in his own life. I think he craves being in the spot light.. his anti-Mormon antics has morphed into providing him that spotlight.. and he need for more and more validation is like a drug.. so he keeps pushing the envelope on how outrageous he can take his antiMormonsim.. well I think it may have finally caught up with him.

Now another view in the family has to do with heredity.. His father, I say his father, since I was adopted into the family when he was 2, so I don't share genetics with him. His Father was a brilliant man, a Pulitzer prize winner and gift for sales. but had some issues with similar to being Bipolar. not sure of he exact diagnosis, but he required medication. Apparently this quirk in the genetic history has popped up every generation or so.. And some in the family believe it was pass along to Mike. Thus Mike has potential to be brilliant but he has some genetic propensity that interferes with an ability to remain focused, just like his father. I suppose creating drama I guess masks this issue .. so I think that may be part of the pathology as well.

oceancoast wrote:well this has been a topic of many conversations in the family. Personally, In my opinion I find that it stems from ( as with many ex-Mo anti-Mo) a failed expectation that has formed deep emotional resentment. His Childhood isn't all the nice neat normal childhood he paints it to be in his interviews. It was anything but. From when he was about 4 years old we lived in Visalia, CA When he was 10, our father was caught in an adulterous affair with the neighbors wife. Our parents split rather suddenly.. (I was on a mission in Scotland at the time so not personally witnessing this turmoil) His Mother quick fire-sale sold the home and furnishings and took Mike and his other brothers to Denver, where she had family. Needless to say, this was a huge change for Mike.. All the friends he ever knew were left behind 1000 miles away.. His father moved to New York to be with the woman he was having the affair with. During the course of this our fathers business went south as well.. exposing some irregularities in the way he was running his business, which resulted in him being arrested and sent to prison for a year.

So as you might imagine.. Mikes NORMAL Childhood suddenly came to an abrupt halt when he was just 10-11 years old. In Colo, he didn't have friends and one of his brothers (second youngest in the family) became dangerously violent... and had to sent away. Mike's family was becoming more and more a train wreck..

In Colo, he began to cruise in first years in junior/High School with the wrong crowd.. and it was arranged that he would go live with another brother in Logan , who had just returned home from a Mission, and he would finish his High School in Logan. It would be here he would meet his future wife.. daughter of the Stake President, their relationship became a bit physical, but he straightened up and went on a mission, came back and married her. And all seemed to be on a good trajectory . His father in law funded a bail bonds business that he worked and was doing well, but then I believe he took a turn for the worst.. some not living the church standards so to speak.. and he lost his licence to practice his bail bonds.. he was arrested for assault and working without a license. He and his wife divorced.. and he seems to have been following his father footsteps and has been on a down hill sled since then.

It's my belief that he carries some leftover anger for how his dad failed the family.. he blames everything his dad including his dad's religion for the failures in his own life. I think he craves being in the spot light.. his anti-Mormon antics has morphed into providing him that spotlight.. and he need for more and more validation is like a drug.. so he keeps pushing the envelope on how outrageous he can take his antiMormonsim.. well I think it may have finally caught up with him.

Now another view in the family has to do with heredity.. His father, I say his father, since I was adopted into the family when he was 2, so I don't share genetics with him. His Father was a brilliant man, a Pulitzer prize winner and gift for sales. but had some issues with similar to being Bipolar. not sure of he exact diagnosis, but he required medication. Apparently this quirk in the genetic history has popped up every generation or so.. And some in the family believe it was pass along to Mike. Thus Mike has potential to be brilliant but he has some genetic propensity that interferes with an ability to remain focused, just like his father. I suppose creating drama I guess masks this issue .. so I think that may be part of the pathology as well.

Wow, this was fascinating and offers some interesting reasons for his pursuits!

- Doc