honorentheos wrote:What do you imagine is the best way the Church could have responded when the allegations came out?
Also, do you know what grooming is?
The church is investigating bro Joseph Bishop.
Ok. Do you see what he was doing as grooming women he had privileged information about that he used to identify them as vulnerable to this grooming behavior? If so, shouldn't this case be of concern to the Church as it is potentially repeatable throughout it's lay ministry? And as such, wouldn't it be appropriate to shine a light on that specific issue as just one example of what it almost certainly should have done better?
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
honorentheos wrote:Ok. Do you see what he was doing as grooming women he had privileged information about that he used to identify them as vulnerable to this grooming behavior? If so, shouldn't this case be of concern to the Church as it is potentially repeatable throughout it's lay ministry? And as such, wouldn't it be appropriate to shine a light on that specific issue as just one example of what it almost certainly should have done better?
What do you think could have been done?
Lets say, for the sake of discussion, the Elder Wells "confession" never occurred prior to Bishop being President of the MTC, what could have been done to prevent what happened to Denson and at least one other person? (Absent the vague reference to confession to Elder Wells, Bishops behavior was an 'unknown unkown')
What can be done now to prevent such events from happening in the future?
boris wrote: What can be done now to prevent such events from happening in the future?
Place women on equal standing within the church.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
boris wrote: What can be done now to prevent such events from happening in the future?
Fence Sitter wrote:Place women on equal standing within the church.
boris wrote:And how would prevent an unknown behavior from being acted out on a woman?
Can you rephrase your question so it makes sense?
Never mind. I am guessing that you are probably unable to understand how reducing the number of men in positions of authority will also reduce their chances to abuse women from those same positions.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
boris wrote: What can be done now to prevent such events from happening in the future?
Fence Sitter wrote:Place women on equal standing within the church.
boris wrote:And how would prevent an unknown behavior from being acted out on a woman?
Can you rephrase your question so it makes sense?
Never mind. I am guessing that you are probably unable to understand how reducing the number of men in positions of authority will also reduce their chances to abuse women from those same positions.
boris wrote: I asked about prevention, not reduction.
Reduction means a number of them are prevented. Nothing can prevent everyone from occurring, but he gave you a good one for reducing/preventing many of them.
Just call police...and if in any way associated with Mormonism.then contact someone like Consig...then go to morman leaks...and then...get it to the press...not just local but get it out there!! Then..go to those responsible and tell them you rule..it is out there...and nothing you and your priesthood authority can do to make it right within the confines of your narrow minded beliefs!
Or...the next time this happens...you call the police...you visit your bishop...and you pull him up by the balls and take him with you to the police. You have victim, you have a religious leader responsible for this...and you have the police..all documented and tied up in a big red bow. Then all 3 confronts the perpetrator and you get cleared up...legal..religiously..in the same big fat bow.
Can anyone tell..that I. Am. So. Pissed. Off.!!!!!!