Sam Young's Excommunication Notice

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Asking little kids how they touch themselves in private is screwed up. It should have never started, and by Hercules it needs to stop like yesterday.

Clearly. We're both on Team Don't Diddle Kids. I'm just fascinated by some of these guys who do what they do.

- Doc

[Guest]

[quote="Doctor CamNC4Me

That's just a default setting for some women when, god forbid, you don't fall in line with their narcissism and just nod your head and say, "Yes, Ma'am!" HURR DURR YOU ATTACK DEH WIMMINZ.

Regardless, all I'm saying is I think I see Rosebud's point in that the motivations that compel some LDS and ex-LDS men to flit from one cause to antoher might actually be based in some sort of pathos. If this was such a horrific practice, why weren't their droves of men and "MAMA DR4G$NZ!!" trying to protect children, say, 30 years ago? What was it that compelled this one man to do what he does? Personally, I think his real motivation is ex-Mormon activism. I'm kind of on board with the TBMs on this one, in that I don't believe Sam is a believer. Believers don't have his posting history he has on /r/exmormon, which is a problem for not only TBMs, but the Church itself.

- Doc

I agree with your statements about Sam and similar personalities. I just don’t trust them. I’ve been burnt before.

As far as Jersey Girl, she’s fighting with most every poster on this board, this speaks to her emotional difficulties. I hope she can learn to weather the feelings before getting so upset. Her Attacks on Rosebud speak to how little she cares about feminist ideals. She’s using any horrific claim required in order to win a message board debate. I feel bad for her.

[_lostindc]

Changing times, changing understanding. for what it's worth, I am not sure how many parents of the kids of 30 year ago had any clue their kids were being subjected to such questions. My dad found out I had been subjected to them when I was in my late 20s. He said, "why in the world would anyone ask a question like that?" Mind you, he had been inactive for something like a decade by that point in time. I just don't think people understood in quite the way they do now. I am not sure how entrenched the practice of asking those questions was before Mark E. Petersen and Boyd K. Packer became obsessed with masturbation.

Bottom line, though, is I don't give a tinker's damn about the sincerity or psychology of anyone who is attacking the LDS Church for this very just reason. Asking little kids how they touch themselves in private is ____ up. It should have never started, and by Hercules it needs to stop like yesterday.

Fluck, I am sorry Kish. I def agree it really doesn’t matter what I distrust or whatever, as long as the harm stops and if Sam Young or Jersey Girl or whoever is the tool to help stop the horrific crap then good. I am most certainly on board and my cry baby crap about not trusting doesn’t really matter as long as Sam and other push the cause in a healthy manner.

[_Jersey Girl]

I agree with your statements about Sam and similar personalities. I just don’t trust them.

As far as Jersey Girl, she’s fighting with most every poster on this board, this speaks to her emotional difficulties. I hope she can learn to weather the feelings before getting so upset. Her Attacks on Rosebud speak to how little she cares about feminist ideals. She’s using any horrific claim required in order to win a message board debate. I feel bad for her.

No, I am not "fighting with most every poster on this board". My criticisms of Rosebud are no more or less than anyone else's on this forum and have exactly nothing to do with how little I value feminism but how much I do value it. As you can see on this very thread, were you to bother reading it, you would see friendly communication between myself and Rosebud but that's not what you're looking for here. No one has made "horrific" claims about you, much less have I. Why you need to embellish is anyone's guess. I have been no more or less direct with you than most any male poster on this board and no more or less direct with any male poster than I have with you.

As I recall, you entered the thread not knowing or remembering who Sam Young is. And yet, here you are maligning him.

I have covered this story on this board since it began, the moment I became aware of it. I have covered it as a child advocate of more than 3 decades and ongoing. I have a strong interest in the well being of children and their families. Why? As I explained in an earlier post it is because I relate to them.

The treatment you (and others) have given Protect LDS Children is to assert that it is being led by a narcissist. I encourage you to consider that you are wrong and investigate what an Idealist personality/temperament is because it is clear that you aren't informed.

There are people in this world who find themselves collide into an area of passion, who come to realize and discover that they have developed tools and continue to develop tools to advocate for others, in this case, children. They are the change makers that make up a small percentage of the population. They are those who aren't afraid to lose a job or lose a friend or lose a church in the process of advocating for children. They will, like Sam Young has, pull extraordinary amounts of money out of their retirement accounts and walk away from their jobs in order to do it, while most others wouldn't have the drive or courage to do so.

You refer to Sam Young as a narcissist when you don't recognize the Idealist standing on the street in Salt Lake City for a righteous cause.

He is deserving of respect. He certainly has mine.

[_Jersey Girl]

Asking little kids how they touch themselves in private is screwed up. It should have never started, and by Hercules it needs to stop like yesterday.

Clearly. We're both on Team Don't Diddle Kids. I'm just fascinated by some of these guys who do what they do.

- Doc

Why should they fascinate you? Because they stepped up and stepped out? Isn't that a positive quality? Shouldn't it be valued?

I remember when during the live stream of a Temple Side Chat, some guy could be heard down the street yelling his ass off and I was like what the hell is going to happen now? When he came closer into view, I recognized Mike Norton. Still wondering...what the hell is going to happen now, because you know, Norton. The man scares me a little and yet I'd love to have a conversation over coffee with him and I would. In a public place. ;-)

Does Mike Norton know how to get attention? Yes. I would almost bet that he knew how to get attention as a child. Does he know how to get attention for all the right reasons? Hell yes he does.

Even though I get a sense of learning as he goes, so in his own way does Sam Young know how to get attention for all the right reasons.

Each of these guys have gifts that set them apart. So far as I can tell, they are all using their powers for good.

[_Maksutov]

This is great, very clarifying. The COJCOLDS has spelled out its values.

[_RockSlider]

Norton is creepy

[_lostindc]

No, I am not "fighting with most every poster on this board". My criticisms of Rosebud are no more or less than anyone else's on this forum and have exactly nothing to do with how little I value feminism but how much I do value it. As you can see on this very thread, were you to bother reading it, you would see friendly communication between myself and Rosebud but that's not what you're looking for here. No one has made "horrific" claims about you, much less have I. Why you need to embellish is anyone's guess. I have been no more or less direct with you than most any male poster on this board and no more or less direct with any male poster than I have with you.

So you're retracting the females speaking directly statement, haha? I mean, wtf, you appear unhinged in a lot of your posts, and yes, you're often in some sort of message board beef.

The treatment you (and others) have given Protect LDS Children is to assert that it is being led by a narcissist. I encourage you to consider that you are wrong and investigate what an Idealist personality/temperament is because it is clear that you aren't informed.

Did you grow up in the Mormon Church? If so, you might realize how often narcissists set up shop (especially males), this includes TBMs, NOMs, WhateverMos, ExMos, etc.

There are people in this world who find themselves collide into an area of passion...You refer to Sam Young as a narcissist when you don't recognize the Idealist standing on the street in Salt Lake City for a righteous cause.
He is deserving of respect. He certainly has mine.

So in your case, if posters don't yet trust Sam, because we've been burnt before, then you attack the poster by claiming they can't handle when a woman talks directly! WTF! I read that post and just laughed. I've met many angry and strange posters while walking down this Mormon message board road of absurdity, but on this board, you're a top five. If drama isn't following you...you create it. Get it together. Anonymous posting makes a lot of people act like jerks, I bet in person, using your real identity, you're probably alright.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Clearly. We're both on Team Don't Diddle Kids. I'm just fascinated by some of these guys who do what they do.

- Doc

Why should they fascinate you?

Why the “F” wouldn't they fascinate me? They're fascinating people.

Regardless, this is a typical response from a faithful type taken from the sltrib comments section:

Membership in the LDS Church is a two-way fellowship choice between the body of the Church and the individual. Either party is free to separate from the other. No individual is forced to be a communicant...the Church is not required to accept or keep someone as a member.

It is my impression that this former Bishop has privately and publicly rejected the truth claims of the LDS Church. Taking it a step farther, he is exploiting his position as a member and former Bishop to criticize, challenge, and change Church policy.

He is, in essence, a self-declared dissident from the faith.

That being the case, it is more than fair for the LDS Church to consider parting company with this gentleman.

The question is how do you cut through this brainwashed corporate speak, and get to TBMs? I don't think you do, and the people that are resigning were most likely inactive or on the fence anyway. Sure you get a few here and there that are so appalled by a policy they resign, but I'm fairly certain a corporation with $32B in US stocks can weather a few hundred families bailing on them.

- Doc

[_Shulem]

Bottom line, though, is I don't give a tinker's damn about the sincerity or psychology of anyone who is attacking the LDS Church for this very just reason. Asking little kids how they touch themselves in private is screwed up. It should have never started, and by Hercules it needs to stop like yesterday.

It's going to be put to a stop. Just like polygamy was put to a stop. The church is going to stop this form of child abuse or face the full brunt of the American justice system to include the FBI seizing control of Church Headquarters and launching a full investigation which would likely drag on for years.