Sam Young's Excommunication Notice

[_cwald]

Here's the petition that Kish mentioned again.

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/910/514 ... cover-it./

I signed it.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's the petition that Kish mentioned again.

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/910/514 ... cover-it./

I signed it.

I haven't signed it myself yet as I'm not sure if I want to make a statement or not. I'm definitely going to sign it. I don't actually know how the petition works in terms of effectiveness. I came across it while searching line. It mentions news outlets--how does the media learn about the petition? I don't know...

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Yet another brainwashed corporate-speaking Mormon chimes in on r/exmo:

This isn’t as cut and dry as it seems at first glance. The guys intentions started out great. I’m Mormon and I really appreciate the attention he brought to this.

However, he turned extreme. To the point where it was no longer about the cause but about him. So either he changed his goal after getting so much attention, or his intention was to go out as a martyr was always the end game.

All in all it’s a net positive. He just turned out to be someone different than was originally portrayed.

- Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

The question is how do you cut through this brainwashed corporate speak, and get to TBMs? I don't think you do, and the people that are resigning were most likely inactive or on the fence anyway. Sure you get a few here and there that are so appalled by a policy they resign, but I'm fairly certain a corporation with $32B in US stocks can weather a few hundred families bailing on them.

- Doc

I think you're right. It's another flash in the pan...and a few folks are going to get burned.

Regards,
MG

[_Sanctorian]

The question is how do you cut through this brainwashed corporate speak, and get to TBMs? I don't think you do, and the people that are resigning were most likely inactive or on the fence anyway. Sure you get a few here and there that are so appalled by a policy they resign, but I'm fairly certain a corporation with $32B in US stocks can weather a few hundred families bailing on them.

- Doc

I think you're right. It's another flash in the pan...and a few folks are going to get burned.

Regards,
MG

True. The church membership can go to zero and the corporation would still live on forever with the correct hedge fund manager. Isn't it marvelous?

[_Jersey Girl]

Yet another brainwashed corporate-speaking Mormon chimes in on r/exmo:

This isn’t as cut and dry as it seems at first glance. The guys intentions started out great. I’m Mormon and I really appreciate the attention he brought to this.

However, he turned extreme. To the point where it was no longer about the cause but about him. So either he changed his goal after getting so much attention, or his intention was to go out as a martyr was always the end game.

All in all it’s a net positive. He just turned out to be someone different than was originally portrayed.

- Doc

Wait. What did you just do here? Isn't this person saying essentially the same thing that you did previously with regard to attention seeking?

Wth

[_Jersey Girl]

The question is how do you cut through this brainwashed corporate speak, and get to TBMs? I don't think you do, and the people that are resigning were most likely inactive or on the fence anyway. Sure you get a few here and there that are so appalled by a policy they resign, but I'm fairly certain a corporation with $32B in US stocks can weather a few hundred families bailing on them.

- Doc

I think you're right. It's another flash in the pan...and a few folks are going to get burned.

Regards,
MG

Bringing attention to child abuse is now a flash in the pan. Step on my head, I've heard everything now.

A few folks are going to get burned? What about the children who have already been burned and those yet to come?

Oh right, another flash in the pan.

This is coming out of the keyboard of a mandated reporter.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wait. What did you just do here? Isn't this person saying essentially the same thing that you did previously with regard to attention seeking?

Wth

*putting on my Jersey Girl hat*

No. Try reading what I actually wrote this time and get back to me.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Wait. What did you just do here? Isn't this person saying essentially the same thing that you did previously with regard to attention seeking?

Wth

*putting on my Jersey Girl hat*

No. Try reading what I actually wrote this time and get back to me.

- Doc

I did read what you wrote. In both posts.

[_Lemmie]

Rosebud is engaging in her usual tactic of interpreting every thread through the lens of her negative experience with Dehlin: men have power and are bad, and weak and powerless women get hurt. It is her interpretation, and it is based on her damage, and continuing to impose her interpretation onto Sam Young in this thread is baseless.

For example, here is her interpretation of the policy regarding baptizing children of gay people:

That's what NOvember 2015 was all about: egocentric men wanting to be heroes in history and pushing so hard for their place in time that the vulnerable people got retaliated against.
viewtopic.php?p=1141279#p1141279

and here is her interpretation regarding, of all things, grindael's historical research!

... the male apologist vs. male ex-Mormon historian fight over the facts is a shadowed repeat of the fight between Smith and Law -- both sides wanting their guy to be the hero and both sides still forgetting that the point is that human beings with less power and influence were severely hurt in the crossfire.viewtopic.php?p=1140339#p1140339

Even in this thread, she has randomly pulled in another story of a vulnerable woman falling prey to another Mormon man:

A friend of mine from junior high died by suicide soon after Richard G. Scott's death. She was clear on her Facebook page that his death had been devastating to her. She couldn't go on. Evidently Scott had been a close friend. She was unmarried. She didn't have many friends. Turns out she had high-functioning autism. Very smart, very vulnerable.

I know there's no evidence in any of this, but I can't help but wonder.....

No evidence, but she still sees a link, because to her, every story is the same as her story.

IN this thread she continues this projection by irrelevantly comparing Hales to Sam Young, again defining the issue in terms of her past problems:

The way out of the cult thinking is to accept that whether or not a protester or Hales has a TR means nothing. As soon as all these competing men realize that none of them win the "I'm the most righteous" prize, life will get better for the people downwind of their dramas. viewtopic.php?p=1141296#p1141296

She has also linked to a post that is full of innuendo and unsupported gossip about Sam Young, because it sounds like her story and her interpretation of how men behave:

And, the linked blogpost has a point. Its comments are representative of many Mormon voices. (https://www.millennialstar.org/guest-po ... lly-after/)

She even drags in posters here, as she again notes that, in her opinion, men are powerful and the helpless are crushed:

Look at what all these Mormon men are doing: Hales, Dehlin, Young, Craig Paxton, Shulem..... they're all trying to win some stupid prize. Watch them. As Mormon kids the importance of making it to the top of the righteous superiority and worthiness chain was entrenched in our minds. Getting out of the cult means really leaving the whole TR paradigm behind.... and leaving behind the need to crush the people who are judging you for not being as superior as they are.

And eventually, she extends her opinion to the entire group of ex-mo men:

The ex-Mormon men don't care if Young or Dehln or anyone else is "choosing the right." They care about whether or not their side wins the superiority fight.

And of course our resident misogynist here who has viciously attacked female posters for the past decade picks right up on this and concludes that yes, Sam Young must be exactly the Dehlin look-alike that she sees in every Mormon male she encounters. He writes: "I do think Rosebud is onto something here."

No, she's not. It's an inappropriate characterization of Sam Young that is fueled entirely by Rosebud's biased view of how men and women interact. It needs to stop.