Sam Young's Excommunication Notice

[_lostindc]

Yeah, I think Sam is just looking for any cause to jump on so he can build whatever value he needs as an activist. Dehlin did the same thing when he jumped on the LGBT train.

Also, I do agree that even though these narcissists appear to be very self-serving, they do bring exposure upon the Church, but it's difficult to pretend the actions of Sam Young weren't very much self-serving. Hopefully, Sam reached the level of fame he desired.

Know what I think? I think you're a superficial non-thinking insecure know nothing who doesn't know a child advocate when you see one. I bet you think this is all about the church, too.

Amirite?

So I don’t advocate for children? If you only knew me in real life, which I am glad you don’t, because you have a significant temper and attack those that you disagree with...there’s a reason why you’re constantly in battles with posters on this board. I don’t get why you’re always so angry? Fortunately, I am secure enough to know that your outburst is really just from likely an okay person that has trouble with navigating emotions.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's the petition that Kish mentioned again.

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/910/514 ... cover-it./

[_lostindc]

Good God. Seriously? Sam is at fault for pouring his time, talents, energy and money into preventing kids from being questioned about their masturbation habits by grown men behind closed doors?

I'm sorry, but if that's some kind of sin, sign me up as a fellow sinner. I wish I had the guts, resolve, moral clarity, and resources to do what Sam is doing. Sam is a goddammed hero in my book.

Adults have a choice to walk out of the LDS Church at any time. The kid who walks into one of those abusive and disgusting interviews has little choice. No child should be subjected to that. And if it means feeding the narcissism of a few activists to either 1) bring heat on the church that promotes this diabolical practice or 2) convince people to walk out of this abusive organization, then I will feed the narcissists 24/7/365.

Wow.

ETA: I happily signed the petition with my name revealed and a typed message explaining why I think Sam should not be excommunicated. Oh, I think he will be, and I want it spelled out very clearly why the LDS Church is on the wrong side of this.

Fair points. Please understand that being raised in the church and watching altruism that was really self-serving made me see the parallels in a lot of the exMo public figures community. I am often cynical in this realm, maybe it’s a lack of trust.

Either way, I agree with you, sign me up, if it’s going to expose the church and the misdeeds of the membership. I really don’t care if the quest is self-serving or pure altruism, as long as the end game is good.

[_Jersey Girl]

Yeah, I think Sam is just looking for any cause to jump on so he can build whatever value he needs as an activist. Dehlin did the same thing when he jumped on the LGBT train.

Also, I do agree that even though these narcissists appear to be very self-serving, they do bring exposure upon the Church, but it's difficult to pretend the actions of Sam Young weren't very much self-serving. Hopefully, Sam reached the level of fame he desired.

Know what I think? I think you're a superficial non-thinking insecure know nothing who doesn't know a child advocate when you see one. I bet you think this is all about the church, too.

Amirite?

So I don’t advocate for children? If you only knew me in real life, which I am glad you don’t, because you have a significant temper and attack those that you disagree with...there’s a reason why you’re constantly in battles with posters on this board. I don’t get why you’re always so angry? Fortunately, I am secure enough to know that your outburst is really just from likely an okay person that has trouble with navigating emotions.

I said exactly nothing about you advocating for children. Try not to get so worked up when a woman is being direct with you.

[_Jersey Girl]

Good God. Seriously? Sam is at fault for pouring his time, talents, energy and money into preventing kids from being questioned about their masturbation habits by grown men behind closed doors?

I'm sorry, but if that's some kind of sin, sign me up as a fellow sinner. I wish I had the guts, resolve, moral clarity, and resources to do what Sam is doing. Sam is a goddammed hero in my book.

Adults have a choice to walk out of the LDS Church at any time. The kid who walks into one of those abusive and disgusting interviews has little choice. No child should be subjected to that. And if it means feeding the narcissism of a few activists to either 1) bring heat on the church that promotes this diabolical practice or 2) convince people to walk out of this abusive organization, then I will feed the narcissists 24/7/365.

Wow.

ETA: I happily signed the petition with my name revealed and a typed message explaining why I think Sam should not be excommunicated. Oh, I think he will be, and I want it spelled out very clearly why the LDS Church is on the wrong side of this.

There's a difference between a narcissist and an idealist turned activist.

All of your above. I agree.

[_lostindc]

I said exactly nothing about you advocating for children. Try not to get so worked up when a woman is being direct with you.

Jesus, so now I get worked up if a “woman is being direct” with me, wtf? You're making massively horrific claims about me. You’re a really mean spirited person.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I said exactly nothing about you advocating for children. Try not to get so worked up when a woman is being direct with you.

Jesus, so now I get worked up if a “woman is being direct” with me, wtf? You're making massively horrific claims about me. You’re a really mean spirited person.

That's just a default setting for some women when, god forbid, you don't fall in line with their narcissism and just nod your head and say, "Yes, Ma'am!" HURR DURR YOU ATTACK DEH WIMMINZ.

Regardless, all I'm saying is I think I see Rosebud's point in that the motivations that compel some LDS and ex-LDS men to flit from one cause to antoher might actually be based in some sort of pathos. If this was such a horrific practice, why weren't their droves of men and "MAMA DR4G$NZ!!" trying to protect children, say, 30 years ago? What was it that compelled this one man to do what he does? Personally, I think his real motivation is ex-Mormon activism. I'm kind of on board with the TBMs on this one, in that I don't believe Sam is a believer. Believers don't have his posting history he has on /r/exmormon, which is a problem for not only TBMs, but the Church itself.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Reddit thread. Reasons not to resign over Sam's impending excommunication.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... m-comments

[_Jersey Girl]

That's just a default setting for some women when, god forbid, you don't fall in line with their narcissism and just nod your head and say, "Yes, Ma'am!" HURR DURR YOU ATTACK DEH WIMMINZ.

Are you describing me in your above?

[_Kishkumen]

Regardless, all I'm saying is I think I see Rosebud's point in that the motivations that compel some LDS and ex-LDS men to flit from one cause to antoher might actually be based in some sort of pathos. If this was such a horrific practice, why weren't their droves of men and "MAMA DR4G$NZ!!" trying to protect children, say, 30 years ago? What was it that compelled this one man to do what he does? Personally, I think his real motivation is ex-Mormon activism. I'm kind of on board with the TBMs on this one, in that I don't believe Sam is a believer. Believers don't have his posting history he has on /r/exmormon, which is a problem for not only TBMs, but the Church itself.

- Doc

Changing times, changing understanding. for what it's worth, I am not sure how many parents of the kids of 30 year ago had any clue their kids were being subjected to such questions. My dad found out I had been subjected to them when I was in my late 20s. He said, "why in the world would anyone ask a question like that?" Mind you, he had been inactive for something like a decade by that point in time. I just don't think people understood in quite the way they do now. I am not sure how entrenched the practice of asking those questions was before Mark E. Petersen and Boyd K. Packer became obsessed with masturbation.

Bottom line, though, is I don't give a tinker's damn about the sincerity or psychology of anyone who is attacking the LDS Church for this very just reason. Asking little kids how they touch themselves in private is screwed up. It should have never started, and by Hercules it needs to stop like yesterday.