grindael's THE Mormon CYCLE OF THE GODS

[_Shulem]

SATAN IN OUTER DARKNESS

[_Shulem]

Joseph Smith's fatal flaw was to incorporate the doctrine of Elohim forever forward being subject to his physical body and that he has a Father -- and so on and so on. This particular doctrine is proven scientifically to be fatally flawed. If Heavenly Father has a Father and he has a Father and there was no first Father then that would necessitate the doctrine of an infinite amount of gods throughout endlessness -- also, for so on and so on ever backward with no beginning or starting point. The concept of an infinite quorum of gods is impossible because it cannot be contained or counted and therefore have individual feedback loop and consciousness.

The Mormon god is a false concept. This is scientifically proven. No doubt about it! You lose, Joseph Smith! You're beaten.

[_Gadianton]

Shulem, you forgot that not only does God have a father, but God was also a Jesus on his planet, and God's father was a Jesus on HIS planet. The vast, vast majority of people of the stars have a working class guy who had years of drug and alcohol and porn problems who then repented and made it. Nobody want's that though, so luckily, our line of Gods only have Gods who were Christs on their world.

[_moksha]

This had been going on for eternity, hadn’t it? Then why have a council every single time you create a world and choose a savior?

These Space-Time loops pose a real conundrum. Wait... didn't I just say that on the Xyzium Dialogue board just 18 billion years ago?

[_Shulem]

Shulem, you forgot that not only does God have a father, but God was also a Jesus on his planet, and God's father was a Jesus on HIS planet. The vast, vast majority of people of the stars have a working class guy who had years of drug and alcohol and porn problems who then repented and made it. Nobody want's that though, so luckily, our line of Gods only have Gods who were Christs on their world.

That particular point has shared keen interest among members of the Church since Joseph Smith first introduced it and it's somewhat popular. But it's not scriptural and is generally classed as speculative doctrine not having been certified by Presidents of the Church or backed by scripture so it ever remains a viewpoint --a possibility concerning Elohim's nature and history.

Suppose sinless Elohim was the Savior of the world in which he incarnated on. Just suppose. What are the odds that our Savior and his Father are both Saviors? It's astronomical -- in the billions! It's like winning the world's grand lottery twice in a row. It's just inconceivable.

I think it's safe for Mormons to assume that their Heavenly Father who was once a mortal man was also a vile sinner having committed all manner of sins and relying on his brother's sacrifice and torture in order to appease his blood thirsty Father who demands horrible suffering in order to get forgiveness. Perhaps Elohim wasn't very faithful early on during his mortal ministry. Perhaps he even committed fornication and drank beer. I'll bet my bottom dollar he was also guilty of masturbation. I wonder if his Holy Ghost now has a body, do you think?

So many questions!

[_Shulem]

Imagine being in the preexistence gathered about Father's heavenly throne. Jehovah was selected to become the Savior and everyone is getting ready to get bodies to become like Heavenly Father.

Then, around and about the throne, one of the angels (Shulem) cries out, "Father, show us your Father!"

A loud heavenly gasp is heard as the angels go completely silent. Then, Father says, "Shulem, my spirit son, have you not understood that to see me is to see my Father?"

But Shulem demands to see Father's Father and asks which of all the Fathers is the greatest?

Father replies, "Shulem, my spirit son, I don't know, I'll have to ask my Father."

[_Shulem]

Behold, I Elohim will ask my Father who of all the Fathers is the greatest.

[_fetchface]

It's fathers all the way up.

[_Shulem]

It's fathers all the way up.

Jesus said that his Father was greater than himself. I can only imagine that Mormon Man-god would say the same thing regarding his Father. Joseph Smith taught that the Father has a Father and that same principle applies to Jesus who has a Father (Elohim) that is greater than him. Therefore, ergo, Father's Father must be greater than him, and so forth. Would not every Son say that his Father "is greater" just like Jesus did?

So, all the way up to who? Who is the greatest?

[_Shulem]

So, all the way up to who? Who is the greatest?

Hence the paradox! If you shall say there is an infinite number of gods then you cannot say any one is the greatest and neither can you number them because you can't quantify the infinite.

If you say there is a finite number of gods and that they are numbered and they all know each other then you must ask which is the first or the greatest?

You see the paradox?

Bring Joseph Smith before me (Shulem) that I may drill him a new one and destroy his religion right before his lying eyes.