The Deep Church?
The Deep Church?
Is there a "Deep Church" that persists as the 15 come and go? That moderates and influences in some ways? The "Anonymous" Op-Ed at the NYT has made me wonder about this.
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That would be the correlation committee.
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Maksutov wrote:Is there a "Deep Church" that persists as the 15 come and go? That moderates and influences in some ways? The "Anonymous" Op-Ed at the NYT has made me wonder about this.
Interesting thought, Maks. There surely exists a less publicized profit oriented component to overall Church operations that often appears to eclipse the publicly claimed Prophet oriented aspects.
However, since the Prophet oriented operations are based on a demonstrably false set of assumptions and beliefs, and yet promoted as truth by organizational leadership, the Prophet oriented operations are the most dangerous.
As for a Deep State type cadre that could somehow prevent Church leadership from implementing the most damaging and destructive of its prophesies, policies and programs - the LDS Church should be so lucky.
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Maksutov wrote:Is there a "Deep Church" that persists as the 15 come and go? That moderates and influences in some ways? The "Anonymous" Op-Ed at the New York Times has made me wonder about this.
Believers would say that the 'Deep Church' is personified in no other than Jesus Christ and His Father.
I would agree with you that there seems to be some underlying foundation/core that keeps things moving along persistently.
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MG
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Maksutov wrote:Is there a "Deep Church" that persists as the 15 come and go? That moderates and influences in some ways? The "Anonymous" Op-Ed at the New York Times has made me wonder about this.
I think the answer is that they don't really come and go. They are just a continuing collective consciousness that is influenced only when "the church" is threatened.
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Think of it this way - the Mormon church is the deep state of Christianity-wanting to overthrow the illegitimate apostatic RCC and the JWs and all the other evangelical "apostates".
The Mormons will not outright take Pope Francis. "out" but they Sure would like to see all of nonmormom Christendom wiped out.
Now I have been waiting for that unnamed senior church official to blow the whistle on the Mormon scam- I was hoping Hamula would be the guy; I believe someone like an apostle will just do that and shake the church to its rotten roots-you know DCP knows the truth but is too afraid and gutless!
The Mormons will not outright take Pope Francis. "out" but they Sure would like to see all of nonmormom Christendom wiped out.
Now I have been waiting for that unnamed senior church official to blow the whistle on the Mormon scam- I was hoping Hamula would be the guy; I believe someone like an apostle will just do that and shake the church to its rotten roots-you know DCP knows the truth but is too afraid and gutless!
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Isn't the idea of a deep state, at least the less conspiratorial one, that there are long-term career employees whose jobs are to implement policy, but because of their positions and influence, have a significant yet informal role in setting policy? To the extent that this phenomenon exists, it usually as a conservative force to maintain the status quo.
If so, then I suspect there is something equivalent to that, as there probably is in any bureaucracy where upper management cannot possibly know the details of every initiative, program, or operation.
But I also think that Q15 acts as a conservative force to maintain the status quo, primarily because of seniority practices and lifetime tenure.
If so, then I suspect there is something equivalent to that, as there probably is in any bureaucracy where upper management cannot possibly know the details of every initiative, program, or operation.
But I also think that Q15 acts as a conservative force to maintain the status quo, primarily because of seniority practices and lifetime tenure.
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You bet your ass there's a Mormon version of the 'deep state'. It's called dynastic families, or nepotism. I think if you google 'nepotism Mormon church' one can see more than a few people have connected the dots.
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Isn't the Second Anointing part of the Deep Church?
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Downton Abbey might suggest one alternative, with it's downstairs staff that manages the expectations not just of their masters but what the culture at large expects of the masters and them.
Apply it in a way to the church, and all the pre-made framework that has been set to roll in the past creates the state of affairs now: buildings, secretaries, curricullum, families, lawyers, and other leaders, they are all different cogs that can become collectively more influential than any one man who assumes legal authority over the corporation sole. And this can all happen without premeditation guiding it all, but more than likely includes individuals who opportunistically use the structures to benefit themselves beyond the ostensible purposes of the institution.
Apply it in a way to the church, and all the pre-made framework that has been set to roll in the past creates the state of affairs now: buildings, secretaries, curricullum, families, lawyers, and other leaders, they are all different cogs that can become collectively more influential than any one man who assumes legal authority over the corporation sole. And this can all happen without premeditation guiding it all, but more than likely includes individuals who opportunistically use the structures to benefit themselves beyond the ostensible purposes of the institution.