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Meadowchik wrote:As a group specifically formed on the common ground about government...

I don't think so, the common ground the group specifically formed on was being Mormon and Female. The government is simply their target.

Nit-picking, eh?

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Meadowchik wrote:As a group specifically formed on the common ground about government...

I don't think so, the common ground the group specifically formed on was being Mormon and Female. The government is simply their target.

Meadowchik wrote:Nit-picking, eh?

Being precise.

Mormon Women for Ethical Government (MWEG) is a nonpartisan group dedicated to the ideals of decency, honor, accountability, transparency, and justice in governing. We are faithful, peaceful, and proactive. We are both watchdogs and activists, guided by our discipleship to Jesus Christ and His teachings. Our goal is to oppose unlawful and/or unethical proceedings and to promote positive change.

https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovern ... /about-us/

Welcome to Mormon Women for Ethical Government. This group was born of desire, frustration, and hope — the desire to act, to push back with faith, love, and light against what we see as a tidal wave of corruption and self-interest in the political landscape, the frustration that comes from feeling directionless and alone in our efforts, and the hope that, working together, we can actually make a difference. There is strength in numbers, power in organization.

And so we created Mormon Women for Ethical Government — a place where we can encircle, educate, empower, and engage.

We believe we were created to act and not be acted upon. We know, too, that God expects us to be “anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of [our] own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness; for the power is in [us].” (D&C 58: 27-28)

These are strange times. We cannot stand by and do nothing. To do nothing is to be complicit.

When will they start applying these standards and principles to their Church and its leaders?

Look, the bishop interviews are obviously very harmful and bad. But they're baby in comparison to the abuse problem the church has. Kids survive them well in comparison to the greater abuses. Horrifying, yes. Traumatic, yes. But there's a spectrum of horrifying trauma and the interviews are on the low end.

I don't understand how harping against a group of Mormon women taking on Mormon politicians helps. Maybe these women don't fully comprehend the harm of the interviews. They're not alone. I'm still glad they're publicly taking on the politicians. Whatever people understand of the harms and are willing to work towards is a positive. I bet they'd work against other abuses in the Mormon church if they understood them. Many Mormon women (and men) are so groomed they don't see the obvious. If this is an issue these women can see.... more power to them.

I have a question wrote:Being precise.

Incorrect. Their objective is also part of their common ground.

I have a question wrote:

Mormon Women for Ethical Government (MWEG) is a nonpartisan group dedicated to the ideals of decency, honor, accountability, transparency, and justice in governing. We are faithful, peaceful, and proactive. We are both watchdogs and activists, guided by our discipleship to Jesus Christ and His teachings. Our goal is to oppose unlawful and/or unethical proceedings and to promote positive change.

https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovern ... /about-us/

Welcome to Mormon Women for Ethical Government. This group was born of desire, frustration, and hope — the desire to act, to push back with faith, love, and light against what we see as a tidal wave of corruption and self-interest in the political landscape, the frustration that comes from feeling directionless and alone in our efforts, and the hope that, working together, we can actually make a difference. There is strength in numbers, power in organization.

And so we created Mormon Women for Ethical Government — a place where we can encircle, educate, empower, and engage.

We believe we were created to act and not be acted upon. We know, too, that God expects us to be “anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of [our] own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness; for the power is in [us].” (D&C 58: 27-28)

These are strange times. We cannot stand by and do nothing. To do nothing is to be complicit.

When will they start applying these standards and principles to their Church and its leaders?

Extricating oneself from indoctrination is not necessarily an intentional task that a person can choose.

In my opinion as a woman who was raised in the church and believed it and trusted my most important life choices to church counsel and commandments, I do think that I felt safer in questioning church authority when I felt safer overall in my life. One could generalize this about people, in that we will be more likely to leave unhealthy situations when we have a healthier alternative.

Therefore, if you want to help Mormon women to question their leaders, it would follow to be part of making the community and government better for them and everyone else.

I think it's ironic, but more impotantly good, that by virtue of their stated objectives, Mormon Women for Ethical Government are doing exactly that, trying to make the public better by improving government. Maybe they ARE doing exactly what they need to do to be able to question Mormon authority.

Agreed. People progress one step at a time. We're all that way.

Meadowchik wrote:Extricating oneself from indoctrination is not necessarily an intentional task that a person can choose.

In my opinion as a woman who was raised in the church and believed it and trusted my most important life choices to church counsel and commandments, I do think that I felt safer in questioning church authority when I felt safer overall in my life. One could generalize this about people, in that we will be more likely to leave unhealthy situations when we have a healthier alternative.

Therefore, if you want to help Mormon women to question their leaders, it would follow to be part of making the community and government better for them and everyone else.

I think it's ironic, but more impotantly good, that by virtue of their stated objectives, Mormon Women for Ethical Government are doing exactly that, trying to make the public better by improving government. Maybe they ARE doing exactly what they need to do to be able to question Mormon authority.

I understand what you are saying, but what I see with MWFEG is people in a glasshouse throwing stones.

I have a question wrote:I understand what you are saying, but what I see with MWFEG is people in a glasshouse throwing stones.

Only if they're throwing stones at other people's houses. But in this case, the comparison does not fly. The government is not just another person's province or house, it is also their province.

Meadowchik wrote:

I have a question wrote:I understand what you are saying, but what I see with MWFEG is people in a glasshouse throwing stones.

Only if they're throwing stones at other people's houses. But in this case, the comparison does not fly. The government is not just another person's province or house, it is also their province.

Nit-picking, eh?