I'm hoping this doesn't count as 'specific temple content' and that this can be discussed in this forum.
I'm wondering what the doctrinal purpose of being given a new name as part of the endowment process is?
What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in the T
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What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in the T
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Re: What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in t
Here are some Bible references. https://Bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/A-New-Name
I'd bet on the Isaiah verses.
I'd bet on the Isaiah verses.
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I think Isaiah was my understanding as a member but isn't there also a Masonic tie-in as well. I vaguely recall Masons being given a new name of sorts, having to do with a virtue? Perhaps someone more familiar can clarify that.
ETA: Just a quick Google search took me to: http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun02.htm
ETA: Just a quick Google search took me to: http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun02.htm
Q. What were you next presented with?
A. A new name.
Q. What was that?
A. Caution.
Q. What does it teach?
A. It teaches me, as I was barely instructed in the rudiments of Masonry, that I should be cautious over all my words and actions, especially when before its enemies.
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Re: What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in t
To look for cosmic meanings in the Masonic rites is a fool's errand. They were all ad-hoc inventions, with greater or lesser degrees of attempts to tie them into some aspect of antiquity. As so often happens, some people love to believe that old things are more powerful or in harmony with the cosmos than our humdrum daily lives, so the Masonic stuff came to be seen- by some people- as having deep spiritual or purposes.
It is analogous to what happened to the Pyramids of Egypt. Yes, the Egyptians saw them as potent reminders of their religious convictions, but they most certainly did not think of them as being built by aliens from Andromeda, or beacons for visitors from said galaxy or anywhere else. They knew perfectly well who built them, because the Egyptians actually did build them, and they knew perfectly well why they were built, whcih was to house the mortal remains of their rulers and conduct them to the realms of the dead. There is nothing cosmic about the Pyramids, or the Mayans, or anybody else. But that's just not good enough. There has to be some hidden "truths" which are really known only by the Illuminati or somebody. Maybe Atlantis. I personally lean toward the Decepticon theory.
The Mormon church in the 1800s was dominated by men who were convinced that Freemasonry held unspeakably cosmic secrets. So they piled on feature after feature of Freemasonry into the Mormon rites. Remember that up until around 1930 or so the endowment took entire days, or even several days. If a brief ceremony was good, then an enormously long one must be way better. So they threw in everything but the kitchen sink. Note that they were absolute crackpots.
As for meaning from LDS doctrine, trying to pin that down is another fool's errand. You may be able to find some prophet's statement on the New Name, but you will never find an official declaration that it means A and not B. There is simply no such thing as absolute Mormon doctrine. Nailing Jell-O to the wall and all that. Mormons will say anything that makes them look good at the time.
We all know, of course, that the real answer is 42.
It is analogous to what happened to the Pyramids of Egypt. Yes, the Egyptians saw them as potent reminders of their religious convictions, but they most certainly did not think of them as being built by aliens from Andromeda, or beacons for visitors from said galaxy or anywhere else. They knew perfectly well who built them, because the Egyptians actually did build them, and they knew perfectly well why they were built, whcih was to house the mortal remains of their rulers and conduct them to the realms of the dead. There is nothing cosmic about the Pyramids, or the Mayans, or anybody else. But that's just not good enough. There has to be some hidden "truths" which are really known only by the Illuminati or somebody. Maybe Atlantis. I personally lean toward the Decepticon theory.
The Mormon church in the 1800s was dominated by men who were convinced that Freemasonry held unspeakably cosmic secrets. So they piled on feature after feature of Freemasonry into the Mormon rites. Remember that up until around 1930 or so the endowment took entire days, or even several days. If a brief ceremony was good, then an enormously long one must be way better. So they threw in everything but the kitchen sink. Note that they were absolute crackpots.
As for meaning from LDS doctrine, trying to pin that down is another fool's errand. You may be able to find some prophet's statement on the New Name, but you will never find an official declaration that it means A and not B. There is simply no such thing as absolute Mormon doctrine. Nailing Jell-O to the wall and all that. Mormons will say anything that makes them look good at the time.
We all know, of course, that the real answer is 42.
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Re: What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in t
I wonder if it doesn't have a tie in with the idea of a "true name" in magic/kabbalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name
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Possibly anything to do with the old superstition surrounding the magical power of a name?
As I understand it, the commandment against using the lard’s name in vain was about misusing the ability to make a deity do your bidding by discovering and invoking its secret name.
There certainly is the belief in Mormonism that the name of Jesus gives a person magic power.
EDIT: Just read Steelhead’s link above and realized this post is a bit redundant. Oh well.
As I understand it, the commandment against using the lard’s name in vain was about misusing the ability to make a deity do your bidding by discovering and invoking its secret name.
There certainly is the belief in Mormonism that the name of Jesus gives a person magic power.
EDIT: Just read Steelhead’s link above and realized this post is a bit redundant. Oh well.
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Re: What is the doctrinal purpose of the new name given in t
Many well-known organizations have given their members special nicknames, such as Pinto, Flounder, D-Day, Otter, and Boon. These special nicknames help build camaraderie and work very well with secret initiation rites. It would be hard to even contemplate a virgin sacrifice without the code names, Trixie, Suzi, and Kavanaugh.
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