President Nelson & Conditional Love

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President Nelson & Conditional Love

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While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional.

-Russell M. Nelson

https://www.LDS.org/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng


How long before this pet doctrine gets re-introduced to the masses, or did the POX already re-establish this divine pattern?
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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To teach that divine love is not unconditional is an evil and pernicious doctrine. I remember when he said that it it did not resonate with me as truth. At that point, I had little if any regard for Nelson as a man of God.
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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If I could stand before Nelson I would rebuke him and challenge his so-called prophetic authority. I would stare him down and call him what he is to his face.

Indeed, I would. But he isn't worth it. He's nothing but a flim-flam-man. He's a fake. He's a liar for the Lord fit to be buried and forgotten.
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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My name is Nelson! I'm scum of the earth.

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pure scum
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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I have no love for you. You apostates of Mormon Discussions will burn in hell.

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Burn!
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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Conditional love opens the way for God's spokesmen to act as intermediaries who must be unconditionally obeyed in order to gain God's love.
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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moksha wrote:Unconditional love opens the way for God's spokesmen to act as intermediaries who must be obeyed in order to gain God's love.


Bingo! Create the need and then fill it. Marketing magic. :razz:
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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Conditional love gives the Saints a degree of reassurance: Follow the teachings of the prophet rather than worrying if the mercy of Jesus or his atonement will be sufficient for celestial advancement. Being saved and then terminated due to a non-exaltation ranking is not what the Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ want.
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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moksha wrote:Conditional love gives the Saints a degree of reassurance: Follow the teachings of the prophet rather than worrying if the mercy of Jesus or his atonement will be sufficient for celestial advancement. Being saved and then terminated due to a non-exaltation status is not what the Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ want.


I like it. It has a kind of robotic national socialism feel to it. Just follow the Mormon fuhrer and all will be well in zion.
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Re: President Nelson & Conditional Love

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reflexzero wrote:
While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional.

-Russell M. Nelson

https://www.LDS.org/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng


How long before this pet doctrine gets re-introduced to the masses, or did the POX already re-establish this divine pattern?


Russell, notwithstanding that you have yet to demonstrate that God and Jesus are supreme beings whose love for their creations is conditional upon those things that you say it is conditional upon...Obedience to the conditions of what you refer to as divine love, is in turn conditional on those people promoting it to be honest and transparent about their stewardship and their promotion of that divine love. To say what they mean, and mean what they say. To be exemplars of the obedience and standards that they promote as being the conditions for entry into the circle where divine love can be bestowed. When you and your cohort start delivering on your part of the bargain, then we'll talk.

Think of it this way - there's no point in talking about the terms and conditions of car ownership with a potential buyer until you have demonstrated that you are the authorised vendor.
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