Dan Petersen and NDEs.(Near Death Experiences

[_aussieguy55]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

Dan will never publish anything on the subject. Read my sig line.

[_karl61]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

One question I would have is how do people have memory of Near Death Experiences, including conversations that took place by emergency personnel. Maybe some window opens up unconsciousness to the point where you can observe what is happening during trauma. When I go to sleep, I wake up and I don't know what was happening around me when I was asleep. Something critical for information processing (seeing, hearing, processing, etc.) is blood pressure and oxygenated blood. Something a lot of people are not getting during a heart attack and stroke. Bill Reel recently interviewed the contriverasial cleric John Shelby Spong. He talked about a stroke he had and floating in the room and watching the emergency personnel work on him. He knew that they cut off his clerical shirt and gave it to his wife, and during a later conversation she confirmed it, but was sort of baffled how he knew it. One question I would also have is do deaf and blind people see and hear during a Near Death Experience. A quick google search would lead one to believe they do, but more careful study would need to be done. As to Mormonism, Near Death Experiences teach us that you don't need some special service to be with your family after death; over and over deceased family members appear during the NDE. Very interesting conversations and observations have been written about. I remember reading about one NDE where someone had a conversation with deceased family members and there was one who the person did not recognize. After they were brought back, they went on with their life. Then a few years later, they were doing some genealogy (pretty sure the story was not a Mormon one) and saw a picture of the person they didn't recognize during their NDE in and old family album. The one book that I want to read but keep putting it off is Mary C. Neal's MD, who had a kayaking accident and drowned at the bottom of a waterfall in Chile, but came back and wrote a book about her experience. Is it just a loving, calm, peaceful light? Some say they saw Jesus. Do Hindu's see Jesus. Do deceased family members tell Catholics to make sure they join the Mormon church and go to the temple when the wake up?

[_I have a question]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

Dan will never publish anything on the subject. Read my sig line.

The only thing holding him back is that someone else hasn't written it yet...

[_SuperDell]

He is being misunderstood. He is actually going to write about Near Donut Experiences.

[_Maksutov]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

Dan will never publish anything on the subject. Read my sig line.

[Guest]

The only thing holding him back is that someone else hasn't written it yet...

This seems to be a requirement for old Ditto Copy Pasterson.

[_Tom]

In the current dust up with Dan and Maxwell some mention was made of Dan possibly writing something on Near Death Experiences. I have been reading a little on the idea of the soul and body in the work of some Christian philosophers at Fuller Seminary who do not believe there is a spirit in the body(dualism) These books are Nancy Murphy Bodies and Souls or Spirited Bodies? and Whatever Happened to the Soul? If there is no soul/spirit then there are no spirits waiting for Temple proxy baptisms. Warren Brown one of the authors told me his opinion of NDEs " The reason for this is that I don’t believe NDEs prove anything about the afterlife. When the brain is deoxygenated and then recovering, all sorts strange things can happen creating “memories” of experiences that were not actual experiences. The hippocampus which is critical form memory consolidation and retrieval is very oxygen sensitive and is no-doubt significantly disturbed by any reduced brain oxygen. The visual cortex of the brain when even marginally deoxygenated creates abnormal visual patterns (often associated with migraine headaches).So, the experiences are likely to be the outcome of deoxygenated brain. Given many other possibilities, it is hard to accept NDE as proof of anything about life after death."

Dan will never publish anything on the subject. Read my sig line.

A correction to your signature line: “2012” should read “2014.”

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Dan will never publish anything on the subject. Read my sig line.

A correction to your signature line: “2012” should read “2014.”

Thanks Tom. You are correct as usual. I’ve corrected the date.

[_Mormon Think]

I read a book on near-death experiences from LDS members. It had about 20 or so LDS accounts as I recall as well as typical ones from other religions for comparison purposes.

The LDS folks told amazing things unique to LDS perspective, seeing Joseph Smith, Temples, new names, etc. The non-LDS people never saw anything uniquely LDS.

The end conclusion is that people 'see' the things that they expect to see based on how they were raised and what they believe. Of course no credible evidence was ever given. Some LDS went into great detail and wrote their own books probably in an effort to make $$$.