The Renlunds - Overcoming Doubt With Faith

[_I have a question]

Elder Dale G. Renlund of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and his wife, Sister Ruth L. Renlund, will speak at a worldwide devotional for young adults on Sunday, January 13, 2019, at 6:00 p.m. mountain standard time.

https://www.lds.org/church/events/janua ... s?lang=eng

Believe harder - Is that really the best way of dealing with doubt?

Some perspective: If you had doubts about using the name "Mormon" as part of the "I'm A Mormon Campaign" was it the right thing to do to simply doubt those doubts and believe harder that the name "Mormon" was okay with God? In 1977 if you doubted that the bans on people with black skin were what God wanted, was it the right thing to simply scrunch up your eyes and believer harder that black people were in some way cursed to not have access to the Priesthood or the Temple? If you have some doubts about the goings on in the Bishops office when he's interviewing your 13 year old child, is the best thing to do to just believe your doubts are wrong and have faith that the Bishop isn't a pedophile grooming your child?

Surely the best way to deal with doubts is investigation, the gathering of more information, exploring those doubts further to see if they're unfounded or have substance? If people doubt the Church Leader's private investment scheme, is it better to doubt those doubts, have faith in him and hand over your life's savings? Or is it a more sensible course of action to find out more, to ask for more information etc?

I cannot believe the Church on the one hand warns members about MLM scams, yet on the other conditions younger Church members to be more susceptible to such scams by indoctrinating them that the best thing to do with a doubt is it to put it one side and just believe harder.

What makes this worse is that Renlund is, by profession, a cardiologist. Would his professional self really follow the same course of action if he, as a cardiologist, had doubts about a patients heart? Would he be saying to that patient "we will put those doubts to one side and believe harder that your heart will keep working"? Or would he run tests and examinations to get to the bottom of the "doubt"?

Why would the guy who authored/co-authored - Superior predictive ability for death of a basic metabolic profile risk score and A clinical correlation study of severity of antibody-mediated rejection and cardiovascular mortality in heart transplantation, be telling people that the best thing to do with doubts is have faith that those doubts will go away?

[_Shulem]

Renlund is a cult leader indoctrinated fully, having sworn an allegiance to the cult with his very life. Think of the temple penalties that were discontinued in 1990. He has sworn total loyalty to the cult at all cost. Truth and facts do not matter. All that matters is obedience to the cult at all cost. It's a scorched earth policy for the church -- pillage the village and burn the whole town down just so long as one keeps the faith.

Renland is evil and he vibrates on a frequency of enslavement as do all the top leaders of the church. His heart and mind are centered on total obedience to the cult and that is all that matters to him. He's poison and will poison the minds of those who listen to him. Mormonism is a cancer on the earth. However, their power over the minds of others is only given to those who allow it through fear and subjugating the mind of those who hand over their lives because they don't want to learn to control their own lives and be their own master.

I rebuke you, Mormonism! You have no power over me!

I AM Shulem, a Master of my own reality.

[_Shulem]

I cannot believe the Church on the one hand

Believe it. The church is founded, grounded, and grown in a conception of DECEPTION and self delusion. The church will do anything to maintain their own faith. They will lie, deny, and hurt others who oppose them. The church will continue to do anything and everything to push their evil agenda which is to enslave the minds of as many humans as they can through fear and guilt. That is the mission of the church -- enslave, punish, and reform to their own agenda.

The church is evil. The temple must be exposed to the whole world. The indoctrination of the temple ritual needs to be showcased on the Internet wherein the public can be warned about what they are getting into once they start touching Mormonism.

---Mormon temple endowment footage---

[_Shulem]

A must see video clip about paying tithing and donations to the church. Several faiths are represented including several LDS apostles including Nelson's wife (what's her name).

---Tithing: Gospel of Mormon Prosperity---

[_consiglieri]

When church leaders speak of "faith," they generally characterize it as faith in God when what they really mean is faith in themselves, with the unspoken assumption being that they speak only as God directs.

It will be interesting to see how Elder Renlund cloaks the unspoken assumption, and how close he will get to revealing the unspoken assumption.

He is a pretty well-read fellow, so I expect some literary reference.

I only hope it will not be Les Miserables again.

[_consiglieri]

Oh.

And of course I expect the infelicitous analogy to the old seaman in his antiquated vessel saving the swimmer from drowning.

[_Mormonicious]

Well let's see, the HARDER I believe the LESS I believe because of the LIES, and LIES and LIES and LIES and LIES and LIES and LIES, etc., etc. to Trumpismness (in other words infinity).

[_Dr Exiled]

We're trying E. Renlund:

It's not a big deal that the plates disappeared or that Joseph Smith used rocks to translate them .... it's not a big deal .... it's not a big deal .....








Even Trump is trying .... because Mormons are an important constituancy for him

[_Dr Exiled]

Believing harder simply won't work people

[_DarkHelmet]

Overcoming faith with doubt is far more effective.