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grindael wrote:That's the thing. Any practicing of "magic" was stepping on SOMEONE'S toes. In the 1902 Conference John W. Taylor decried the "peep stone women" who were looking in stones and telling fortunes and things about future mates ... this ticked off the Patriarchs, who had their "blessings" which were to do something like that. Taylor actually tells them to go to the Patriarchs to get information on future partners, but they never gave out information like that. It was all boring lineage stuff and so religious. No wonder people loved the peep stone shows. So it wasn't just the leader of the church that was being wronged, it was just about anyone with the Priesthood. What, that regular person can dowse and find wells and silver and stuff, and I can't with my priesthood. We must put a stop to that. It would have been out of place for God to tell Smith in 1820 to use magic. In fact, Smith said God told him ALL WAS WRONG... and since the apologists say magic and religion were so inseparable, well, they just can't have it both ways, even though they desperately want to.

Bill Reel wrote:How about prop 8

Jim Bennett wrote:You got me there

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Children of same-sex couples will not be able to join the Mormon Church until they turn 18 — and only if they move out of their parents’ homes, disavow all same-sex relationships and receive approval from the church’s top leadership as part of a new policy adopted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Kishkumen wrote:Denying baptism to children of cohabiting gay parents is the jumped shark. With that move, the LDS Church fundamentally compromised its very foundation.

Shulem wrote:Until the church dumps this evil policy, admits it was not a revelation, and apologizes for its implentation, the church will face an ever mounting threat of opposition both inside and outside the church.

Perhaps lawsuits and legal action against the church in European settings will force the church to make concessions. Which government will step forward first and declare this action discrimination and an unlawful practice? Don't think that this couldn't happen. It might very well be in the cards. Governments around the world can pursue this matter in whatever framework their constitutions and legal systems permit. The church is in hot water.

Kishkumen wrote:This one rocked the world of many a decent, faithful LDS person. I saw it on Facebook. LDS scholars who love their religion were rocked to the core, as well they should have been.

Kishkumen wrote:This one rocked the world of many a decent, faithful LDS person. I saw it on Facebook. LDS scholars who love their religion were rocked to the core, as well they should have been.

According to Jim, thank goodness that the Book of Mormon is the portal/access point to all things spiritual in Mormonism. Since the Book of Mormon is true and historically accurate, all things Mormon are true. No matter how heavy that shelf gets, the keystone of Mormonism continues to hold it all up.

Shulem wrote:grindael's on a roll! Kishy weighing in too.



I've still got Part 6 to do. Loving it.

Makes me wonder who is going to be the first apologist on Doctor Scratch's list that will have the balls to step up to the plate and face Bill Reel.

Get your tickets!

DBMORMON wrote:I have stopped asking, outside Mason, Givens Bushman type, they all except Bennett say no way (And Bennett really is more of the Bushman, Givens, Mason type). Can't blame them. They realize the Church does best in one sided or non-real-time long form conversations.