I am hearing about surveys sent to members more and more frequently. It seems to me that, fromthe sounds of it, the church is trying to scrutinize what is going on with the membership, what influences members, and how members influence other members.
Here's one of the latest I've heard about:
Bizarre sondage dans les paroisses françaises/Weird survey in French wards
Donc, c'est confirmé par 3 amis en trois pieux différents et 2 régions. C'est un sondage de 42 questions qui sont posées aux jeunes, âges entre 11 et 17 ans. Il demande l'état de participation de leur famille dans l'église. Il demande si les enfants ont quoi a mangé. Mais aussi il demande si l'enfant est exposé a pornographie à la maison et si regardent porn avec leurs parents. Le sondage et structuré d'être anonyme, mais il y a les jeunes qui étaint demandés ces questions à la chapelle par l'évêque dans son bureau. Voilà. C'est pour votre information. Et aussi si vos connaissez plus de ça, svp di-nous. Merci!
So, this is confirmed by 3 friends in three different stakes and two regions. It is a survey of 42 questions which are asked of youth between the ages of 11 and 17 years old. It asks the participation level of their family in the church. It asks if the children have enough to eat. But then it asks if the child is exposed to pornography at home and if the child watches porn with his parents at home. The survey is structured to be anonymous, but there are youth who have been asked these questions by the bishop in his office.
That’s it. FYI. And also if you know more than this, please let us know. Thanks!
These tend to be done on a limited basis and usually with some effort at discretion. Scientifically, the church could glean much better results by more openly asking all members to complete them.
A reddit poster made this contribution (below) to the cited thread, which corrects something I said in my OP. This group of surveys is indeed quite open. It is not as discreet as ones I've seen in the past.
It not only for france but for europe in general. I heard that the kids will have to fill out the survey every year for the next 10 years.
I have been sent the surveys links for the kids and leaders and would be interested to obtain the one for the YM/YW.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Meadowchik wrote:I am hearing about surveys sent to members more and more frequently. It seems to me that, fromthe sounds of it, the church is trying to scrutinize what is going on with the membership, what influences members, and how members influence other members.
Here's one of the latest I've heard about:
Bizarre sondage dans les paroisses françaises/Weird survey in French wards
Donc, c'est confirmé par 3 amis en trois pieux différents et 2 régions. C'est un sondage de 42 questions qui sont posées aux jeunes, âges entre 11 et 17 ans. Il demande l'état de participation de leur famille dans l'église. Il demande si les enfants ont quoi a mangé. Mais aussi il demande si l'enfant est exposé a pornographie à la maison et si regardent porn avec leurs parents. Le sondage et structuré d'être anonyme, mais il y a les jeunes qui étaint demandés ces questions à la chapelle par l'évêque dans son bureau. Voilà. C'est pour votre information. Et aussi si vos connaissez plus de ça, svp di-nous. Merci!
So, this is confirmed by 3 friends in three different stakes and two regions. It is a survey of 42 questions which are asked of youth between the ages of 11 and 17 years old. It asks the participation level of their family in the church. It asks if the children have enough to eat. But then it asks if the child is exposed to pornography at home and if the child watches porn with his parents at home. The survey is structured to be anonymous, but there are youth who have been asked these questions by the bishop in his office.
That’s it. FYI. And also if you know more than this, please let us know. Thanks!
These tend to be done on a limited basis and usually with some effort at discretion. Scientifically, the church could glean much better results by more openly asking all members to complete them.
Is the Church sending these surveys directly to the 11 to 17 year olds? Because that would be massively inappropriate.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
Fence Sitter wrote:What is it a prophet does again?
Surveys, pilot programmes, and gets up in the middle of the night to send his assigned wife out of the bedroom as he has to pee have a revelation, which she needs to be absent for in order to stand as a witness of it. The revelation, not the peeing. Apparently.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I have a question wrote:Is the Church sending these surveys directly to the 11 to 17 year olds? Because that would be massively inappropriate.
These ones in the links are written to ask the parents about their children. However, in all three cases of my friends, children are being asked directly. One friend says that he was given the questions first before his children were asked.
I have a question wrote:Is the Church sending these surveys directly to the 11 to 17 year olds? Because that would be massively inappropriate.
These ones in the links are written to ask the parents about their children. However, in all three cases of my friends, children are being asked directly. One friend says that he was given the questions first before his children were asked.
So the Church is now directly grooming minors to answer intimate questions about themselves to strangers on the internet, in addition to grooming them via local Bishops. Is there nobody at Church Headquarters with an ounce of moral consciousness that understands just how wrong this is? Clearly not.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
It's funny looking back at when I was growing up in the church. We lived right by the SLC Temple and had a bunch of G.A.s in the stake and ward. We were always the subject to this test program or that test program. Leaders always sold it to us as wanting to know if we could follow what the Lord wanted prior to presenting it to the rest of the church.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
All of Smith's revelations contain this consistent typo. I blame the scribes. 